two changes for Delta

[WorldTraveler]

yes, the 332s have a separate crew rest cabin.

the 333 crew rest cabins were the subject of DL-ALPA discussions. the 333s even though those aircraft do not and probably cannot fly more than 12 hours. DL feared, I believed, that if they allowed them on the 333 that ALPA would be asking for a separate crew bunk on all DL int'l aircraft including the 764s and 763s that are used for under 12 hour flights.

another factor for SLC is that LAX does compete for some western US flow traffic and as a major origin itself, if DL has to choose a western US destination to offer nonstop service, LAX is easier to justify. RDU-SLC ended when RDU-LAX became a highly contested route between AA and DL.

 

[topDawg]

yes, the 332s have a separate crew rest cabin.

the 333 crew rest cabins were the subject of DL-ALPA discussions. the 333s even though those aircraft do not and probably cannot fly more than 12 hours. DL feared, I believed, that if they allowed them on the 333 that ALPA would be asking for a separate crew bunk on all DL int'l aircraft including the 764s and 763s that are used for under 12 hour flights.

another factor for SLC is that LAX does compete for some western US flow traffic and as a major origin itself, if DL has to choose a western US destination to offer nonstop service, LAX is easier to justify. RDU-SLC ended when RDU-LAX became a highly contested route between AA and DL.

er no it didn't. SLC-RDU was around after AA added RDU. 
 
And no, ALPA is only able to force separate bunks on 12+ hour flying. So the 764s and the bulk of the 763s wouldn't fall under this. 
 
They can ask all they want. Asking means nothing. They tell them on anything over 12 hours. (again, damn terrible union contracts suck. I'd much rather sleep in a coach seat.... or in the cockpit jump seat) 

 

[metopower]

Almost right.... It is the FAA that mandates classes of crew rest not the airlines. Over 12 hours you will need a class one facility. Alpa or anyone can negotiate for a better facility but what are they willing to give up for it. In this case it was not worth it. But things have changed and now those aircraft are approaching the 12hr mark. Look for some to be moded like some of the 763 for a class one facility.

 

[WorldTraveler]

er no it didn't. SLC-RDU was around after AA added RDU.

SLC-RDU is now 4X/daily or close to it. it didn't even have daily service not long ago

 

[Kev3188]

Some but its pretty limited and mostly going away. 
 
Routes like LAX-TPA and RDU have seen the 320 regularly in the past but Delta is shifting to using the 320 on more mid haul flying. The motors on the 320 make T-cons a bit of a problem in the summer time. Even from SLC most of the longer flying is 738s. 
 
Or 757. 
 
and the 319s are getting mods for longer flying. Look for them to show up on some transcons and long mid-cons from SLC. 
 
All international flights have a seat blocked for the pilots.(if they don't have a crew rest) 
However for any flight over 12 hours pilots must have their own separate crew rest. That is why the sub fleet of 763s that do 12 hour flights have the pods for pilots up stairs. 
 
but i forgot they are going to be using the FA rests. Don't the 332s have their own rest or are they sharing there too? (yes I could look this all up but....im lazy) 
 
and for SLC-MIA I have heard that the 319s will open up routes like that once they get AVOD and new cabins. (even though I would think, because its going to be a Y heavy route you would want a 738 or a 757.) 
 
but I do understand what you are saying. I would still like to see some of the markets like MIA/FLL, ELP, OGG, MKE, RDU come back for SLC. 

MKE-SLC is one of those routes that seems to be perpetually rumored. My guess is no go unless/until an E75 or larger can fund it. Strangely (or not) MKE has both MCO and CUN nonstops (maybe 6 only?). The former is on a CR9...

MSN has SLC svc. (Runs with a CR7), but it's now less than daily...

 

[topDawg]

Almost right.... It is the FAA that mandates classes of crew rest not the airlines. Over 12 hours you will need a class one facility. Alpa or anyone can negotiate for a better facility but what are they willing to give up for it. In this case it was not worth it. But things have changed and now those aircraft are approaching the 12hr mark. Look for some to be moded like some of the 763 for a class one facility.

Oh so its under the FARs? 
 
I thought in the CBA you guys had 12 hour crew rests. 
 

MKE-SLC is one of those routes that seems to be perpetually rumored. My guess is no go unless/until an E75 or larger can fund it. Strangely (or not) MKE has both MCO and CUN nonstops (maybe 6 only?). The former is on a CR9...

MSN has SLC svc. (Runs with a CR7), but it's now less than daily...

Not sure if a E75 can do it or not...... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

not surprisingly, UA has the longest E175 routes in the US.... IAH-YEG is the longest at 1854, 600 miles longer than MKE-SLC. They (or their partners) also fly STL and SFO to MSP.

even with SLC's altitude, I would bet that an Ejet could make MKE-SLC work.

in terms of block time, DL's LGA-DFW (S5 actually) is the longest followed by LGA-IAH even though it is 500 miles shorter than UA's longest - which says how much time you spend on the ground at LGA and to a lesser extent DFW.

 

[topDawg]

not surprisingly, UA has the longest E175 routes in the US.... IAH-YEG is the longest at 1854, 600 miles longer than MKE-SLC. They (or their partners) also fly STL and SFO to MSP.

even with SLC's altitude, I would bet that an Ejet could make MKE-SLC work.

in terms of block time, DL's LGA-DFW (S5 actually) is the longest followed by LGA-IAH even though it is 500 miles shorter than UA's longest - which says how much time you spend on the ground at LGA and to a lesser extent DFW.

FWIW CP has some of, if not the, highest preforming E75s in the country. They have 36 that have a carve out in the DALPA contract that allows them to have a higher MTOW than any other 76 seat jet for DCI. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm sure specially designed for ORD-NRT and DFW-LHR.

it's ok if you don't see the competition with AA.... there are folks at the GO who do and bring home the butter to put on your bread.

 

[topDawg]

I'm sure specially designed for ORD-NRT and DFW-LHR.

it's ok if you don't see the competition with AA.... there are folks at the GO who do and bring home the butter to put on your bread.

huh? I mean the Compass E75s that operate for Delta. Legacy NW E75s.... 

 

[Kev3188]

Seriously...

 

[WorldTraveler]

it was a joke.... but then NW was trying to outsource NW FA flying... maybe that is why they are former NW regional aircraft.

you sure that UA doesn't have some of them too?

 

[topDawg]

it was a joke.... but then NW was trying to outsource NW FA flying... maybe that is why they are former NW regional aircraft.

I think they were to replace the avros which had pretty high MTOWs. 
 

you sure that UA doesn't have some of them too?

I don't believe so. I think with the 175 the AR model is the longest range/highest MTOW option. UA's scope is basically a copy and paste of Delta's scope but doesn't allow for the 36 higher MTOW E-jets. AFAIK.