Training To Move To Charlotte
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Does that mean Carnot is gone? Where was Mid Atlantic training held?
Light Years
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As of now MidAtlantic training is being held at Carnot. US has been renting space there to USA3000 as well.
The CLT facility is so much nicer than Carnot. Initial F/A training was in PIT, so you didnt see the CLT center until recurrent, international or a new plane training- when you did it was like "Oh wow- we ARE a real airline!"
The reasoning at the time was that CLT couldnt accomodate the sheer volume of trainees at the time and PIT could. For recurrent, I think PHL and CLT crews went to CLT, and PIT, BOS, DCA, BWI (at the time) and LGA went to PIT.
Carnot is a converted schoolhouse, with bathrooms designed for schoolchildren. :blink:
The CLT facility is so much nicer than Carnot. Initial F/A training was in PIT, so you didnt see the CLT center until recurrent, international or a new plane training- when you did it was like "Oh wow- we ARE a real airline!"
The reasoning at the time was that CLT couldnt accomodate the sheer volume of trainees at the time and PIT could. For recurrent, I think PHL and CLT crews went to CLT, and PIT, BOS, DCA, BWI (at the time) and LGA went to PIT.
Carnot is a converted schoolhouse, with bathrooms designed for schoolchildren. :blink:
ClueByFour
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This should also indicate that US won't be growing anytime soon.
Light Years
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Even during the growth period having the two of them seemed strange. The airline was not that big that it needed two fullty operational training centers. No one knows how to be redundant like US! (Hubs, aircraft types, express carriers, facilities...)
nycbusdriver
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Bye, bye Little Red School house. It is about (deleted)ing time.
Just imagine what we "bought" pilots thought the first time we showed up Montour Run Road and saw the red brick joke. After attending first class facilities in CLT and INT, we all knew we were doomed. And we were right.
And the west coaster pilots must have howled with laughter, then pain, over losing Scripps Ranch to Montour Run Road.
Just imagine what we "bought" pilots thought the first time we showed up Montour Run Road and saw the red brick joke. After attending first class facilities in CLT and INT, we all knew we were doomed. And we were right.
And the west coaster pilots must have howled with laughter, then pain, over losing Scripps Ranch to Montour Run Road.
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I love the CLT training center and it was definately being under used. It makes sense to place all training under one roof. No more kid bathroom facilities B)
USA320Pilot
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Flight crew training facilities to be consolidated
ARLINGTON (US Airways Today) - US Airways will consolidate its training for pilots and flight attendants at its Charlotte Training Center, where there is ample room to handle training needs. The decision will result in relocating flight simulators from the Pittsburgh simulator building and training equipment and classroom facilities from the Carnot and McCormick schools near the Pittsburgh Airport. The move is being undertaken as part of US Airways' overall efforts to operate more efficiently by eliminating redundant equipment and costs.
The relocation of training activities to Charlotte will begin as soon as possible and is scheduled for completion within six months. The company expects to recoup the cost of relocation within about a year, and potentially much sooner, depending on the sale of excess equipment. Ongoing annual savings following the consolidation will total an estimated $3 million.
While all hands-on training for mainline and MidAtlantic Airways will be centered in Charlotte, development work now done in Pittsburgh, such as curriculum creation and technical publications, will remain there. This includes the functions of the Flight Technical Operations, Inflight Systems and Inflight Training Development departments, which will be located at the RIDC Park West. Also, maintenance training now conducted at the Carnot School will be relocated to Hangar 1 in Pittsburgh.
Currently there are a total of 354 employed in the affected departments at the Pittsburgh and Charlotte locations. After the consolidation, there will be approximately 337 positions. As part of the consolidation, about 130 positions will move to Charlotte. The current estimate is that there is a potential for up to 30 furloughs, although this number may be less if employees choose to relocate.
When the move is completed, the Charlotte Center will house two A320 simulators; two B-737-300 simulators; one A330 simulator; one B-757 simulator; one Dash-8 simulator; and space reserved for two EMB-170 simulators and one CRJ simulator.
ARLINGTON (US Airways Today) - US Airways will consolidate its training for pilots and flight attendants at its Charlotte Training Center, where there is ample room to handle training needs. The decision will result in relocating flight simulators from the Pittsburgh simulator building and training equipment and classroom facilities from the Carnot and McCormick schools near the Pittsburgh Airport. The move is being undertaken as part of US Airways' overall efforts to operate more efficiently by eliminating redundant equipment and costs.
The relocation of training activities to Charlotte will begin as soon as possible and is scheduled for completion within six months. The company expects to recoup the cost of relocation within about a year, and potentially much sooner, depending on the sale of excess equipment. Ongoing annual savings following the consolidation will total an estimated $3 million.
While all hands-on training for mainline and MidAtlantic Airways will be centered in Charlotte, development work now done in Pittsburgh, such as curriculum creation and technical publications, will remain there. This includes the functions of the Flight Technical Operations, Inflight Systems and Inflight Training Development departments, which will be located at the RIDC Park West. Also, maintenance training now conducted at the Carnot School will be relocated to Hangar 1 in Pittsburgh.
Currently there are a total of 354 employed in the affected departments at the Pittsburgh and Charlotte locations. After the consolidation, there will be approximately 337 positions. As part of the consolidation, about 130 positions will move to Charlotte. The current estimate is that there is a potential for up to 30 furloughs, although this number may be less if employees choose to relocate.
When the move is completed, the Charlotte Center will house two A320 simulators; two B-737-300 simulators; one A330 simulator; one B-757 simulator; one Dash-8 simulator; and space reserved for two EMB-170 simulators and one CRJ simulator.
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Clue:
Clue said: "This should also indicate that US won't be growing anytime soon."
USA320Pilot comments: US Airways will have the same number of mainline simulators next year as today. The company's "Transformation Plan" ASM increase will be manned by productivity improvements to average down unit costs.
In regard to training time, ALPA currently permits the company to use 4 four-hour simulator training blocks from 0600-1000, 1000-1400, 1400-1800, and 1800-2200. The new ALPA labor accord will likely permit an "E" period from 2200-0200, which will boost training efficiency by another 25%. The training plan analysis indicates the consolidation and sale of one B737 and one A320 simulator, increased training periods, and contractor off-site simulator use during peak training periods, which will provide a lower unit cost than the current format.
The transformation plan envisions with a competitive cost structure the airline will be able to return to the capital markets to finance additional used and new aircraft additions, which will raise the mainline fleet count to 320 aircraft. Possible aircraft additions could be used B767-200, A320, and EMB-190 aircraft.
Although it will not yield a large amount of money, 75% of the proceeds from the sale of one A320 and B737 simulator will be used to pay down the loan guarantee and provide a one-time benefit to lower interest expense.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Clue said: "This should also indicate that US won't be growing anytime soon."
USA320Pilot comments: US Airways will have the same number of mainline simulators next year as today. The company's "Transformation Plan" ASM increase will be manned by productivity improvements to average down unit costs.
In regard to training time, ALPA currently permits the company to use 4 four-hour simulator training blocks from 0600-1000, 1000-1400, 1400-1800, and 1800-2200. The new ALPA labor accord will likely permit an "E" period from 2200-0200, which will boost training efficiency by another 25%. The training plan analysis indicates the consolidation and sale of one B737 and one A320 simulator, increased training periods, and contractor off-site simulator use during peak training periods, which will provide a lower unit cost than the current format.
The transformation plan envisions with a competitive cost structure the airline will be able to return to the capital markets to finance additional used and new aircraft additions, which will raise the mainline fleet count to 320 aircraft. Possible aircraft additions could be used B767-200, A320, and EMB-190 aircraft.
Although it will not yield a large amount of money, 75% of the proceeds from the sale of one A320 and B737 simulator will be used to pay down the loan guarantee and provide a one-time benefit to lower interest expense.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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In any restructuring there is always employee dislocation, which is unfortunate, but the training facility consolidation is long over due from a cost and efficiency perspective.
In addition to closing the McCormack, Carnot, and Simulator Training facilities, other Pittsburgh facilities could be closed this year dependent upon union negotiations.
The Greentree Reservations, B737 Heavy Maintenance, Catering facilities, and other associated off and on-site airport facilities will likely close without new CWA and IAM CBA's. Moreover, if the company enters bankruptcy without a new IAM-M labor accord, the Charlotte Heavy Maintenance facility could be closed too.
It appears the potential move of the RIDC West office space and principally Dispatch is cost prohibitive, therefore, these facilities will remain in the Pittsburgh area for the foreseeable future.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
In addition to closing the McCormack, Carnot, and Simulator Training facilities, other Pittsburgh facilities could be closed this year dependent upon union negotiations.
The Greentree Reservations, B737 Heavy Maintenance, Catering facilities, and other associated off and on-site airport facilities will likely close without new CWA and IAM CBA's. Moreover, if the company enters bankruptcy without a new IAM-M labor accord, the Charlotte Heavy Maintenance facility could be closed too.
It appears the potential move of the RIDC West office space and principally Dispatch is cost prohibitive, therefore, these facilities will remain in the Pittsburgh area for the foreseeable future.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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Your starting to scare everybody again. I'll just vote yes if you promise to stop torturing all of us!! 
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