The Path Ahead
- Thread starter USA320Pilot
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Since we all know you deceived us on who you really are, let me take the time and educate you on how things work, if you were a "real" union member you would know.usfliboi said:
Arbitration is just like going to court, same rules basically apply and HISTORY does mean everything and anything when it comes to making a case.
54 years of doing the work, 54 years of the company recognizing it is IAM work and 54 years of the company's own contract proposals where they asked for relief in the performance of heavy maintenance.
Like I said you have no idea of what this case is all about and what it entails.
And you are dead wrong, the majority of the mechanic and related know if we back down from this fight, we will not be here anymore, so once again you don't have any idea of what the IAM members are feeling. The MAJORITY know this is a life and death of our economic livelihoods, because if we back down there will be not tomorrow for 5,000 mechanic and related employees.
Yep, just like we did not win millions in our 401K arbitration against the company, and many other cases.
Like I said, we all know that you are not what you say you are and you were caught in your web of deceit, so why don't you actually take the time to educate yourself on the history and how the process works.
aerosmith
Senior
Hey Chip you better hope the IAM doesn't lose because if they do no contract will be worth the paper it's printed on!
aerosmith
Senior
The roof the roof the roof is on fire we don't need no water let the m-f*!# burn...
"A good warrior knows when to retreat and return another day."
The good warriors has retreated twice, two concessions, apparently this time, they feel it is time to fight!
Considering what they are facing, it does appear to be do or die time. U would probably allow outside vendors to do the overhauls, considering
they have already sent Airbi work out, although that appears to be a clear breach of the contract. They mechanics and related, is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. Mr. Siegel should know, that not providing for a way out, makes people even more steadfast in their choices.
But I am curious, USfliboy, how do you feel the situation looks from the mechanics point of view?
The good warriors has retreated twice, two concessions, apparently this time, they feel it is time to fight!
Considering what they are facing, it does appear to be do or die time. U would probably allow outside vendors to do the overhauls, considering
they have already sent Airbi work out, although that appears to be a clear breach of the contract. They mechanics and related, is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. Mr. Siegel should know, that not providing for a way out, makes people even more steadfast in their choices.
But I am curious, USfliboy, how do you feel the situation looks from the mechanics point of view?
It seems obvious the position that the pilots will take if and when it comes down to a vote on consessions. The flight attendants are "ify". I think when the time comes they will vote in favor for more consessions. The IAM and CWA are the groups that will need some major convincing to even open up their contracts.
The mechanics have already lost a good bit of work and from what has been said are due to lose more to outsourcing if not all. Sounds like in the near future they will be shrunk into oblivion. What do they have to lose? Why vote to cut their pay?
Most of the Reservation agents will also soon be history. With Dave's push for internet bookings, simplified fares and fare rules, and the "secret" overseas outsourcing, there will be no need for Reservations as we know it today. Dave said it himself "there WILL be furloughs". What do we have to lose? Most will be gone soon anyway and every penny that we make now counts toward unemployment benefits. Despite what most think, there are a lot of agents that are not topped out and any pay cut now would be detrimental. Why vote for more consessions when you'll probably be losing your job soon anyway? Doesn't make much sense. I would say from what I hear in PIT that the majority would vote "No" this time around. No clue as to the INT agents. I think the only "Yes" votes would be the agents that did not hear Dave's speech and the one's that are uninformed and do not see the whole picture or refuse to see it. Even the senior agents are against it this time.
Don't see where there is a future for the mechanics or Reservation agents consessions or no consessions. I guess we will soon see.
Would really like to hear the opinions of other Res. agents and mechanics.
The mechanics have already lost a good bit of work and from what has been said are due to lose more to outsourcing if not all. Sounds like in the near future they will be shrunk into oblivion. What do they have to lose? Why vote to cut their pay?
Most of the Reservation agents will also soon be history. With Dave's push for internet bookings, simplified fares and fare rules, and the "secret" overseas outsourcing, there will be no need for Reservations as we know it today. Dave said it himself "there WILL be furloughs". What do we have to lose? Most will be gone soon anyway and every penny that we make now counts toward unemployment benefits. Despite what most think, there are a lot of agents that are not topped out and any pay cut now would be detrimental. Why vote for more consessions when you'll probably be losing your job soon anyway? Doesn't make much sense. I would say from what I hear in PIT that the majority would vote "No" this time around. No clue as to the INT agents. I think the only "Yes" votes would be the agents that did not hear Dave's speech and the one's that are uninformed and do not see the whole picture or refuse to see it. Even the senior agents are against it this time.
Don't see where there is a future for the mechanics or Reservation agents consessions or no consessions. I guess we will soon see.
Would really like to hear the opinions of other Res. agents and mechanics.
If it is, the ALPA scope clause will be just about as solid as the IAM scope clause for precedent. Then those EMB190/195 aircraft will have "Operated by Mesa Airlines" on the fuselage next to the cabin door, the PIT Flight crew Base will be closed, and most of the pilots furoughed. It's your worst nightmare, not the IAM's choice.USA320Pilot said:
USA320Pilot:USA320Pilot said:
Seems to me that the two statements in the same post, quoted, contradict each other... "We will have to pay people differently" implies, to me at least, that we will have to pay people less.
If this company came to the unions and said:
"Listen... we need to improve productivity. We will not negotiate reduced wages/benefits, etc, only job performance items, which contribute to efficiency. We realize that in a steady-state, gaining efficiencies generally means that less people are needed and therefore will result in additional furloughs. However, we will endeavor to minimize additional furloughs by using the more efficient processes to fuel growth, such as the planned utilization increase."
Well, I think the unions might be willing to talk to management, if they came in with the above goals. However, I do not believe that is true, given Seigel's comments about paying people differently and reviewing benefits.
ClueByFour
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Working to rule, I'd imagine.mweiss said:
