The Path Ahead

[Baja4U]

BoeingBoy:

Would you please provide a detailed analysis on the total effect of the "Going Forward Plan"? Otherwise, there is no way to judge your numbers, which appear invalid.

Thanks.

USA320Pilot

A320Pilot; Why are you Soooooo scared of yourlittle cush job???????? If you were a mechanic, you would know there are plenty of outfits to work for for the price US wants to pay. I for one , am not willing to fall for your "Me too" cause. So, I say "FULL PAY" to the last DAMN DAY!!!!!!! Sooooo sorry for U!!!!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

USA320Pilot,

No, I don't have a detailed analysis of the "Plan", but I don't need one for the info I supplied.

When you fly an plane that's already paid for (or leased), the incremental cost is the DOC minus the cost of the plane - if you recall the crews to fly it.

Doesn't matter a hill of beans what's in the "Plan" although stage length will have a bigger effect than most anything else - the longer the lower the incremental CASM. And I will agree that the flight crew concessions in the "Plan" would lower the incremental cost - using existing crews or recalled crews.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

USA320Pilot,

I should correct one point. In my original post in this thread, I was talking about increased aircraft utilization, which would increase utilization of employees and facilities.

Jim

 

[Phantom Fixer]

USA320Pilot,

I should correct one point. In my original post in this thread, I was talking about increased aircraft utilization, which would increase utilization of employees and facilities.

Jim

That should be greater utilization of those employees and facilities that happen to survive and remain when the smoke clears and the dust settles.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Baja4U:

Baja4U said: "If you were a mechanic, you would know there are plenty of outfits to work for for the price US wants to pay."

USA320Pilot comments: That's not what the Department of Labor just reported. By the way, how do you know what US Airways has proposed since the IAM has refused to discuss the issue with the company?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[to much time to quit]

USA320Pilot comments: That's not what the Department of Labor just reported. By the way, how do you know what US Airways has proposed since the IAM has refused to discuss the issue with the company?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

The bottom line is when you and your group of pilots change careers in the near future your new job will most likely pay 60 to 85% less than what usairways is paying if your lucky. When I find a new job my pay cut will be considerably less. So its obvious your group has much more to lose. So you can give our share of what dave wants or have nothing. Its your call, many of us don't care anymore. There is nothing to show 141M, we aren't willing to change our contract. The companys not even following whats covered by the contract now, (Airbus Heavy Checks)

 

[Baja4U]

Baja4U:

Baja4U said: "If you were a mechanic, you would know there are plenty of outfits to work for for the price US wants to pay."

USA320Pilot comments: That's not what the Department of Labor just reported. By the way, how do you know what US Airways has proposed since the IAM has refused to discuss the issue with the company?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

:unsure: The Dept. of Labor has FIGURES just like DAVE has FIGURES as well as UNEMPLOYMENT has FIGURES.....I think you need to worry about you and your "brethren', NOT others......LOL

 

[ClueByFour]

By the way, how do you know what US Airways has proposed since the IAM has refused to discuss the issue with the company?

Reliable sources, which will have to remain confidential?

Where, oh where, have we heard such a thing before?

 

[USA320Pilot]

To Much Time:

To Much Time said: "There is nothing to show 141M, we aren't willing to change our contract."

USA320Pilot comments: I have a feeling your union and its members are in for a very rude awakening. In fact, with this stance the IAM and its members could become irrelevant. It's your choice to cost effectively conduct maintenance in-house or not.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. The A320 overhaul grievance will likely be lost, then all of the Boeing aircraft replaced with Airbus/EMB-190/195 aircraft, the Pittsburgh Maintenance facility closed, and then most of the mechanics furloughed. It's your choice.

 

[mweiss]

You sure seem mighty sure of yourself on this issue. What's up with that?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Just one more point...could the IAM-M be playing right into the company's hands and then get screwed?

Me thinks so...

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ua767fo]

Just one more point...could the IAM-M be playing right into the company's hands and then get screwed?

On this point you probably are correct. USAirways management has been a master manipulator of labor, both in and out of BK. Just witness the number of outstanding pilot grievances. I hate to see your prophecy come to fruition, but I see a high probability of it happening.

Regards from DEN

 

[delldude]

Just one more point...could the IAM-M be playing right into the company's hands and then get screwed?

Me thinks so...

Regards,

USA320Pilot

why's that? you going to sell us out on the 737's?

 

[700UW]

To Much Time:

To Much Time said: "There is nothing to show 141M, we aren't willing to change our contract."

USA320Pilot comments: I have a feeling your union and its members are in for a very rude awakening. In fact, with this stance the IAM and its members could become irrelevant. It's your choice to cost effectively conduct maintenance in-house or not.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. The A320 overhaul grievance will likely be lost, then all of the Boeing aircraft replaced with Airbus/EMB-190/195 aircraft, the Pittsburgh Maintenance facility closed, and then most of the mechanics furloughed. It's your choice.

You have no idea of what you are talking about, the IAM has overhauled EVERY single TYPE of plane US Airways has flown since 1949, so tell me , how is the IAM gonna lose the arbitration?

You have no idea of our history or our case or our evidence, and your feeble attempt to scare people is not gonna work. You are just scared because one union has the gonads to stand up to dave and not cower in fear like your union is doing.

 

[usfliboi]

700, your case ,nor history in todays industry makes ZERO difference. It is irrevelant. Stand and fight all you want, you will win nothing in the end. A good warrior knows when to retreat and return another day. Your not representative of the majority of our employees. With all due respect, it is you who seems not to get the reality of this situation. If all you can do is continue to talk about fighting and standing up to management, youll win nothing. I hate it for those who are in denial, simply because it is even more painful for those who will have to face reality dead in the face. I hope for your sake you are prepared for what lies ahead, because this company will survive with or with out you as well as my self and others. To shoot your nose off despite your face is silly at best. The unions can not help us now. They can only go through the motions. Thats fine as long as it doesnt hurt the overhaul picture. Theres never ever been a case where in this situation that any one won ......My hardworking fellow employees and my self are all in the same boat. We will not allow one group, one person, or one motive stand in the way of our famlies livelihood. We all are adults, we can and will do whats best for each of us. Hopefully you have alternative jobs lined up for yourself, as we all need to be prepared. Do you ever think for one moment that theres any chance of a " win win" here for IAM ?