The new Northwest...named "Delta"

[southwind]

Here's hoping NXNW takes the early out at NW.
We don't need you spewing your bile at The new "D-E-L-T-A" airlines !

 

[North by Northwest]

Here's hoping NXNW takes the early out at NW.
We don't need you spewing your bile at The new "D-E-L-T-A" airlines !

What a sad silly little drone of a comment. It doesn't matter if I will be there or not...8,000 other "experienced" NxNW will be. Clearly, 40% of the old Delta crew is quick enough to respond to a change in business with a business answer vs. those hoping for the Delta Fairy God Mother. Needless to say we know where you fall.

Now, return your head to the sand.

 

[aislehopper]

As the potentially largest union on the property, if this deal goes through, the Cabin Crew of the new company can demand to be involved and share equally with a "ME TOO Clause" with any other labor group...INCLUDING pilots. Or...they SHUT the airline down.

It is interesting to hear you talk about shutting down a company.

Did you talk about shutting down a company as you hip hopped around to three different unions (IBT, PFAA, afa-CWA) looking for something that could protect you?

Did you talk about shutting down a company as your last concessionary contract was voted in by the slimmest of margins?

Did you talk about shutting down a company as you walked past the AMFA picket lines?

Clearly, the group that is coming onto Delta property with over 60 years of union representation has been impotent against NWA management.

You are bringing a losing record into a company where the majority does not support organizing under the afa-CWA banner and think that you will have power to shut down the company?

And you say we have our heads in the sand?

Try it our way for a year. If it does not work out, we can try your way later.

 

[Kev3188]

Here's hoping NXNW takes the early out at NW.

Here's hoping he or she stays.

We don't need you spewing your bile at The new "D-E-L-T-A" airlines !

...And we don't want to work with a bunch of milquetoasts, but here we are. Work it out.

 

[North by Northwest]

It is interesting to hear you talk about shutting down a company.

Did you talk about shutting down a company as you hip hopped around to three different unions (IBT, PFAA, afa-CWA) looking for something that could protect you?

Did you talk about shutting down a company as your last concessionary contract was voted in by the slimmest of margins?

Did you talk about shutting down a company as you walked past the AMFA picket lines?

Clearly, the group that is coming onto Delta property with over 60 years of union representation has been impotent against NWA management.

You are bringing a losing record into a company where the majority does not support organizing under the afa-CWA banner and think that you will have power to shut down the company?

And you say we have our heads in the sand?

Try it our way for a year. If it does not work out, we can try your way later.

I would get my facts straight before trying to sound informed about what the employees of NW have and haven't done regarding strikes (otherwise, it puts you in a bad light). Sticking with a Union just to not hear silly comments about having a backbone strong enough to seek change is rather dumb and childish. When it is the company seeking injunctions against Unions, doesn't sound like it's the Unions hip hopping around for protection.


Since you seem to pick and choose what you want to recall about our last contract and shutting down the company...informed intelligent people know who and how we were prevented from shutting down the company (look it up, it's now CASE LAW as in precedent setting). Not a comment you really want to make when attempting put NW FA in a weak light, kinda backfires on you.

You will find out soon enough what prevented scared of their shadow types from backing AMFA. (calling Delta res..in INDIA)

We don't have to try it your way...with OUR old NW bosses running the show. We have a contract, and that contract is in full force (IF..this goes through, and contrary to the fake hoopla in the press and coming from the gang, there are big obstacles in it's way)

When a few of you get a taste of the real players in control now, you will sing a VERY different tune. They will show you a "direct relationship" to the street.

When your non union work rules and pay is better than ours...you can tell us what it feels like to be impotent...

 

[Airlinelifer]

You will find out soon enough what prevented scared of their shadow types from backing AMFA. (calling Delta res..in INDIA)

Reservations in India, whats next, payroll in Jamaica! (no thats reality, payroll is in Jamaica), ya mon, erie.

 

[yoyodyne]

So how many NW outstations are going to be above 49 flights after September?

Let alone near the merger

Food for thought

NW might still want to worry about what the current NW might do to them...

 

[bagboy]

Reservations in India, whats next, payroll in Jamaica! (no thats reality, payroll is in Jamaica), ya mon, erie.

I hope you aren't joking around about the thousands of jobs that our DL family farmed out. Not really that funny. I personally feel better about the new Delta/ old NWA administration. With them you knew where they stood on their employees. At Delta they call you family and then sell you out for a buck. Delta's farm out program and its employees ability to turn the other cheek each time this happens is what scares me. When is enough going to be enough?

 

[bagboy]

So how many NW outstations are going to be above 49 flights after September?

Plenty. Delta is pulling out of markets and handing seats over to us. Comair has closed up shop in a few stations with more to come. Thanks in advance to my new airline and Rich. He promised no more outsourcing. I believe, do you?
Praise to the Widget.
P.S. What is up with 49 flights? Isn't the number closer to 30 to farm and 70 to bring us back?

 

[brokenwrench]

NXNW!
Did you or did you not honor a legal picket line when AMFA struck?

Please, no drivel, Yes or NO answer is all I ask.

Thank you.

 

[Kev3188]

So how many NW outstations are going to be above 49 flights after September?

Let alone near the merger

Food for thought

NW might still want to worry about what the current NW might do to them...

Do a little research before you post.

A station needs to fall below 30 or less flights/weekly (mainline and or Compass) for 9 consecutive months, in order for the company to have the option of outsourcing.

Bagboy is correct in stating that a city needs to have 70 or more departures weekly in order to reopen.


A threshhold of 50 flights weekly (based on 2005 schedules) was used as the criterion to determine which stations remained open.

It's pretty straightforward language, but apparently confused you.

 

[North by Northwest]

NXNW!
Did you or did you not honor a legal picket line when AMFA struck?

Please, no drivel, Yes or NO answer is all I ask.

Thank you.

No, and don't ask any other personal questions on a public board. All crew members were contractually re-instated if they were fired for honoring a legal strike.

I can assure you...I have ALWAYS put actions behind my words.

 

[North by Northwest]

I hope you aren't joking around about the thousands of jobs that our DL family farmed out. Not really that funny. I personally feel better about the new Delta/ old NWA administration. With them you knew where they stood on their employees. At Delta they call you family and then sell you out for a buck. Delta's farm out program and its employees ability to turn the other cheek each time this happens is what scares me. When is enough going to be enough?

Sadly, you ain't seen nothing yet. Had NW been non union upon their arrival...there would be no NW! Most companies are more valuable broken apart than it's sum.

What kind of scope language does non union Delta employees have in the event of the break up of the company?
Where does it say Delta has to honor your seniority in bidding?
Perhaps these new NW bosses would like to implement their dream plan from NW..."using cheap foreign Crews for all international thereby saving the company billions". Surely, Delta's "direct BS relationship" will protect employees.

Folks, we have almost two decades with these people. They are ruthless money driven creatures who will not think twice about setting your family into the street. They did it to 5000 NW mechanics (some with 40 years of company dedication) with out blinking an eye...a plan devised BEFORE Anderson left NW.

Their history demonstrates they are THE most ruthless gang in the airline business. You really have no idea what kind of monster you have let into your house.

What is the value of ALL his assurances to NW employees before billions in concessions worth now? If you think they will treat you any better than senior NW mechanics "just because the new airline is called Delta" you are in trouble. Think what you want, if this goes through the survivors will be the ones who learned from this gang's past actions. Everybody else...road kill.

 

[cooper43]

Sadly, you ain't seen nothing yet. Had NW been non union upon their arrival...there would be no NW! Most companies are more valuable broken apart than it's sum.

What kind of scope language does non union Delta employees have in the event of the break up of the company?
Where does it say Delta has to honor your seniority in bidding?
Perhaps these new NW bosses would like to implement their dream plan from NW..."using cheap foreign Crews for all international thereby saving the company billions". Surely, Delta's "direct BS relationship" will protect employees.

Folks, we have almost two decades with these people. They are ruthless money driven creatures who will not think twice about setting your family into the street. They did it to 5000 NW mechanics (some with 40 years of company dedication) with out blinking an eye...a plan devised BEFORE Anderson left NW.

Their history demonstrates they are THE most ruthless gang in the airline business. You really have no idea what kind of monster you have let into your house.

What is the value of ALL his assurances to NW employees before billions in concessions worth now? If you think they will treat you any better than senior NW mechanics "just because the new airline is called Delta" you are in trouble. Think what you want, if this goes through the survivors will be the ones who learned from this gang's past actions. Everybody else...road kill.

You may be correct on all of your assumptions, but I do not see why you are so upset. It is entirely likely that when the merger is complete, there will be unions voted in for all work groups and we will all have the protections that you refer to. However there is no reason to go on attack towards DAL people for not having a union before. We have never felt we needed one and so far we have done just fine without one. You say that your pay and benefits are better than ours and that may be the case I am not knowledgeable enough of what both groups each are earning now to know. However I think the differences are small. You seem so hostle towards anyone who is not on your team. Would you have reacted as angry if you were merging with another unionized carrier? I think you probably would. We do have to have an "us against them" mentality. NWA is not a better airline just because it is unionized. Dal is not a better airline because we are non unionized. Are you so angry at this new Delta that you will hate whatever they do no matter what? I am not defending any of the new management yet because I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe if the merger is successful, the new airline will be so large that it will be very strong and be a big player world wide. What if the new management doesnt have any plans to destroy your life or career due to the fact that we will be a profitable and healthy company. What if next year things a much better and they want to give us a raise and better work rules. You know it is in managements best interest not to have labor disputes. It cost them money. I understand that labor at NWA has had a problem with management but I think it worked both ways. Maybe your unions were not willing to work with management. SW has unions but they have a good relationship with management. That is my point. We have to work together, once the fighting starts it gets real nasty fast. I do not know the future but I am willing to at least wait and see before I get on the "I HATE EVERYTHING THAT MANAGEMENT IS DOING" wagon. Just my opinion.

 

[brokenwrench]

I can assure you...I have ALWAYS put actions behind my words.

Glad to hear it.