TEAMSTERS vs IAMAW questions from the voters mechs and related

[allstrike]

Well the time has come to get an answer to this question,so all you union in the know guys have at it.

If there is an election and the IBT wins.

The IAM has stated that the contract will not change,only the
representative will..being IBT if they win,the contract stays status Quk given that answer this.

1.If a transitional agreement is reached with the company to bring the mechanics and related under the current IBT contract,wich is still in negotiations,will the old IAM contract then be null and void and the IBT free to negotiate for better pay and bennies for us us/east folks.

Be truth full here,I know the rules for section 6 etc ok,but this isnt reopening an agreement the one The IBT has is already open..

 

[700UW]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.

Cases:

Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.

PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.

Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.

None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.

 

[allstrike]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.
Cases:
Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.
PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.
Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.
None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.

I agree with the cases listed,but this case our case in differant,there are 2 unions and 2 contracts at USAIRWAYS.
This is a merger not a simple case of representation.
If the IBT brought the us/east folks under there agreement would they be under the current IBT contract,or still under the IAM negotiated contract.

How can you have one group of workers,merged and work under 2 contracts,one has to go..right...wont the company have to negotiate with the IBT after all there contract is in section 6 negotiations now,or was untill the IAM got single carrier status,if thats over turned by an election wont the IBT contract still be open under section 6

 

[Bird Doctor]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.
Cases:
Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.
PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.
Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.
None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.

THAT is what the IBT was doing when the merger started amending our contract..So why waste 3to5 more years with the inferior IAM contract, when we can start NOW with the IBT.

GET OUT OF THE QUICK SAND AND VOTE IBT

 

[700UW]

PSA was ibt and US was IAM, single carrier status declared the PSA mechanic and related were transitioned into the US CBA.

Just as it will happen no matter who wins if there is an election.

That is they the company has ceased section 6 negotiations with the ibt.

And to BD:

Just because you bold it and use a bigger font does not make it correct in what you write.

No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving CBA per single carrier status.

Inferior?

Compare scope, stock clerks and gse wages.

 

[Bird Doctor]

And to BD:
Just because you bold it and use a bigger font does not make it correct in what you write.
No matter what happens the IAM/US CBA will be the surviving CBA per single carrier status.
Inferior?YES
Compare scope, stock clerks and gse wages.

HOW ABOUT
1 PAY for lic mechanic
2 Vacation days IBT 3 week after 5 yr IAM 3 weeks after what is it like 12 yr
3 Sick pay IBT hr for hr IAM 1/2 hr for hr
4 Holiday IBT=9 IAM=5
5 401K IBT match 6% IAM match 2%
SHOULD WE GO ON???
POINT MADE

GET OUT OF THE QUICK SAND AND VOTE IBT

 

[NeedForSpeed]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.

Cases:

Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.

PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.

Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.

None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.

Thats ok...administer the contract to it's conclusion, then the NEW union on the property will negotiate their own contract.....The good thing is....said NEW union will be able to identify all of the crap in the current CBA, and be able to have time to formulate a strategy to change all the IAMs' blunders...I see this as a win-win situation for the NEW union

Maybe a place for you somewhere within the ranks of the IAM, eh there, 700??

 

[PhxRanchHand]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.

Cases:

Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.

PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.

Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.

None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.

there goes your ignorance again 7, none of those examples were due to a merger where as the smaller was the aquiring...

 

[delldude]

HOW ABOUT
1 PAY for lic mechanic- wage rates-still open
2 Vacation days IBT 3 week after 5 yr IAM 3 weeks after what is it like 12 yr vactions-still open
3 Sick pay IBT hr for hr IAM 1/2 hr for hr settled
4 Holiday IBT=9 IAM=5 vacations-still open
5 401K IBT match 6% IAM match 2% 401k-still open
SHOULD WE GO ON???maybe you should....none of the above has been agreed to between company and IBT....including duration
POINT MADE- yeah...right from the IBT 104 webpage,again

 

[Awa Contract]

Yes, DELL, compare the pay!!! We make more per hour than they do now. OPEN is the IMPROVEMENT on what is already better than IAM has.

Yes, DELL, compare the vacation!!!! We get more sooner that that IAM POS that you are so proud of.

You need to change the topic again or do more of the personal insults because when it comes to these facts the TEAMSTER's have you.

VOTE TEAMSTERS and take control of your future

 

[delldude]

all open ended prior to any runoff isn't a good direction to head.....

trust me she was owned by a little old lady who drove it to the grocery store....

 

[Awa Contract]

WHAT PART OF OUR CURRENT IS BETTER THAN YOURS CAN'T YOU GET THROUGH THAT IAM CLOUDED BRAIN

 

[delldude]

WHAT PART OF OUR CURRENT IS BETTER THAN YOURS CAN'T YOU GET THROUGH THAT IAM CLOUDED BRAIN

since you had to ask..well actually not much...

 

[allstrike]

PSA was ibt and US was IAM, single carrier status declared the PSA mechanic and related were transitioned into the US CBA.
Just as it will happen no matter who wins if there is an election.
That is they the company has ceased section 6 negotiations with the ibt.

Again I agree but there was no election,what if the ibt had won one.What contract would have survived.
The company has stopped section 6 negotiations but the IBT has not been decertified by the NMB yet,its still pending.
If the IBT wins an election wont the IAM be decertified for the mechanics and related,allowing a transitional agreement to be discussed to bring us us/east folks under the IBT agreement wich will have to reopened,it is still binding if an election takes place and there is a IBT victory.

Also like you say if there is no change in status quo,well were all just doing time anyway right.

So back to the original question,this is for you Bob if the IBT wins an election,and transferes the mechanics and related to be added to there contract,wont the IAM agreement be null and void since there will be no more IAM on the property for mech and related leaving the IBT free to negotiate under section 6 for us under there agreement.

I know this is alot to think about,maybe even earth shattering for some,maybe even a first for the NMB,cant find a case were the little guy won to us as a referance but Im looking.

And Dell according to 700 there is no open end..he says the IAM contract sticks...wich is the truth,this is what needs to be adressed now,what will happen if there is a turnover to the IBT not what will happen if theres not.

I know that answer...

 

[320tech]

According to the NMB a change in representation does not change the CBA.

Cases:

Amfa wins at UAL and NWA, only adminsters the old IAM CBA.

PFAA wins at NWA over ibt, only administers the ibt FA CBA.

Amfa wins at WN over ibt, only amdminsters the ibt CBA.

None of these contracts were opened upon a change of representation, only when the amendable dates came due were Section 6 negotiations stared.
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This is a completely different situation we've told you this before. you can't compare us to a work group that just voted to change thier union to us that is being merged.