sw plane goes off the rnway in mdw

[x15]

I read in an article on aol today that the NTSB is also looking at the Thrust Reversers as a possible problem. According to the flight attendants and the pilots, the crew had to do manual braking because the plane wasnt slowing down. isnt that more dangerous to use manual brakes in a snowstorm like that or does it make a difference?

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Then let's just agree that the place should be closed down. I'm sure UAL would be happy to do it. This is a market. If someone gets an advantage by cutting corners, you either have to, or you lose money.

Not every airport is going to have 10000 ft runways with over-runs. Lotsa airports - that are very popular - MDW/SNA/BUR/LGA and their like are still going be used. And what would be a mishap at JFK or ORD becomes a crash at LGA or MDW. Operating into short fields bordered by city streets or rivers requries extra regimentation and care but is not unsafe by itself. And it does not mean carries are "cutting corners" by flying there.

Some would say that such airports can be safer in a way, since everyone is on his/her toes. At least that is what people have said about places like the old Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong).

 

[x15]

"If someone gets an advantage by cutting corners, you either have to, or you lose money. What do you say we establish some baselines for the industry, and prohibit the BS of certain carriers getting "special" deals to deviate. You in?"

Sure! If a money losing airline can screw it's creditors, screw the investors, dump contracts, screw employees, break retirement promises, dump loyal employees out on the street creating a nightmare for them, all as a means to become competitive with airlines that always operated profitably without ever screwing those people....bring it on.

 

[lovedandlost]

By HERBERT G. McCANN, Associated Press Writer
7 minutes ago



CHICAGO - The reverse thrusters that should have slowed a Southwest Airlines jetliner before it slid off a runway and into a busy street didn't immediately kick in when the pilots tried to deploy them, federal investigators said Saturday after interviewing the crew.

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The flight attendants said they could tell the Boeing 737 wasn't slowing after it touched down in the snow Thursday evening, and the pilots said they applied the brakes manually as soon as they realized something was wrong, said Robert Benzon, National Transportation Safety Board investigator in charge.

 

[Rhino]

Seems to me an awful lot of hirsute professional aviators are making a lot of assumptions. Let the chips fall.

FWIW, since BUR, SWA has launched a comprehensive change to its procedures to ensure the safest approach criteria possible.

As we all should know, accidents happen. Winds, runway conditions, et al, can change dramatically between the last tower call and touchdown.

 

[lovedandlost]

If wild accusations and baseless speculation are not appropriate here...I picked the wrong day to stop surfing porn.

 

[luvn737s]

I think we should name the next 737-700 off the Boeing line after the child who was killed in this most unfortunate, unavoidable, accident.

No, the SAAB Friction tester the MDW should be forced to buy should be named for him. It is one piece of equipment that may have prevented this tragedy.

 

[luvn737s]

Maybe this accident will cause WN to alter it's culture. Sometimes it's wiser to choose what you SHOULD do over what you CAN do.

OTOH, if the city of Chicago wants scheduled jet service into MDW, they should pony up the money to condemn the property necessary to build sufficient overruns. It would no doubt add to the cost of operating into MDW, but the public on the ground and in the air deserve it.

 

[Busdrvr]

"If someone gets an advantage by cutting corners, you either have to, or you lose money. What do you say we establish some baselines for the industry, and prohibit the BS of certain carriers getting "special" deals to deviate. You in?"

Sure! If a money losing airline can screw it's creditors, screw the investors, dump contracts, screw employees, break retirement promises, dump loyal employees out on the street creating a nightmare for them, all as a means to become competitive with airlines that always operated profitably without ever screwing those people....bring it on.

I'll take screwing creditors and employees over killing a 6 year old any day. how about you?


Not every airport is going to have 10000 ft runways with over-runs. Lotsa airports - that are very popular - MDW/SNA/BUR/LGA and their like are still going be used. And what would be a mishap at JFK or ORD becomes a crash at LGA or MDW. Operating into short fields bordered by city streets or rivers requries extra regimentation and care but is not unsafe by itself. And it does not mean carries are "cutting corners" by flying there.

I say close all 4. I'd bet an airport in the center of justa bout any major city would be popular, however, forcing traffic to a safer airfield on the outskirts in the name of the public good may be a good call. Let's not forget to include Hobby and Love also..... 😉

 

[Rhino]

I've been away from this site for awhile. One thing hasn't changed. Busdriver is still classless. I'd bet he's a former fighter pilot who's opinion of himself far exceeds that of his peers' of him.

 

[Busdrvr]

I've been away from this site for awhile. One thing hasn't changed. Busdriver is still classless. I'd bet he's a former fighter pilot who's opinion of himself far exceeds that of his peers' of him.

Welcome back Rhino!! I've got a question for you. It's been quite a while since I've flown a guppy, and any old pubs I may have had are packed away somewhere. Having flown jets made by just abot every company that made any in the last 50 years, I could be thinking of a differant jet. Does the guppy require the strut on one side of the jet to compress to allow the engines to be placed in reverse, and the strut on the other side for spoiler deployment? There were some comments mentioned in the news that indicated that the pilots reported some delay in being able to get the engines in reverse. If the system is set up as I seem to remember, and considering the cross wind at landing, that strut may not have compressed quickly enough, or was prevented from compressing by the cross controls for the crosswing landing. Insights?

for the record, I'm not a fighter guy, and I never blamed ths crew. As I've said, I wouldn't have enjoyed flying that approach. My gripes, as before, deal with culture, and in this case, decisions by the bean counters, sadly facilitated by SWAPA, that I feel compromises safety to some degree. I've been COMPLETELY consistant on this for quite some time, and the lack of a body was always the response from the apologists. But I must say, nice attempt at redefining the issue. If you can shift the scrutiny to anyone who questions you by your righteous indignation, it shifts the focus from the issue of what killed an innocent child to something so silly as your opinion of someone you've never met's character. Nice try, and again, welcome back. 🙂

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Rhino,

The ONLY thing that Busdriver is "being", is SPECULATIVE,(which I think he would agree with), and that's his right, !!!

When it comes to being OPINIONATED,(on this board) I take a back seat to VERY few folks on here !!

On this one, I've chosen to "wait until ALL the chickens are back into the barn", and thats my right.

Bottom line, "BUS" falls within the margins !!

NH/BB's

 

[Busdrvr]

The ONLY thing that Busdriver is "being", is SPECULATIVE,(which I think he would agree with),

I disagree, I'm being EXTREMELY Speculative or HIGHLY speculative, not just "speculative" .... 😉 😀

 

[traderjake]

There were no fatalities ONBOARD THE AIRCRAFT.
The tragic loss of the young boy does matter but does not fit into aircraft fatality.
If his car had been hit by a train instead of a plane would it be considered a railroad fatality or an automobile fatality?

My posting NEVER diminished the loss of the young boy but dealt with statistics.

Joe Friday"Just the facts,Mam'.

You said

"I do not consider your record blemished because there were no passenger fatalities onboard the aircraft".

If you think that an airplane running over and killing someone on a public street is not a safety record blemish you are living in an alternate reality.

 

[goingboeing]

You said

"I do not consider your record blemished because there were no passenger fatalities onboard the aircraft".

If you think that an airplane running over and killing someone on a public street is not a safety record blemish you are living in an alternate reality.

Thank you for the nice compliment.