http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/newdestinations.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=newdestinations
They include JFK to IAH
LAX to RDU
and MIA to FDF and PTP
They include JFK to IAH
LAX to RDU
and MIA to FDF and PTP
some new routes LAX, JFK and MIA
- Thread starter FA Mikey
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JFK-IAH What a waste, CAL at EWR is much closer to Manhattan
JFK-IAH has nothing to do with business travel to/from Manhattan; JFK-IAH connects Houston with AA's international flights at JFK. This new route is the first of many new routes designed to go head to head with UA.
It's not about connecting passengers to more destinations than UA can from IAH; it's about enabling IAH-based passengers who are thru with UA to access the AA JFK gateway. Not everyone in Houston is a faithful UA customer.
Competeition, fare wars etc, those strategies have done so much for our careers so far.
Let UA keep it.
I'm sure they will be much happier with the service with the lowest paid workers in the industry. Didnt AA just win a dubious award as cited on another thread?
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AA's decision to start this route has everything to do with the fact that with DL and WN now in the market on top of B6, every major airline serves the NYC-Houston market via one or more combination of the five airports in the two cities. AA simply could not be completely absent in this market.
If AA wants to serve the Houston - Europe market, it makes far more sense to serve it via BA's IAH-LHR nonstops which ARE operated as a joint venture on established service where BA can connect to more cities at LHR than any US airline will ever be able to serve nonstop from the US.
If AA wants to serve the Houston - Europe market, it makes far more sense to serve it via BA's IAH-LHR nonstops which ARE operated as a joint venture on established service where BA can connect to more cities at LHR than any US airline will ever be able to serve nonstop from the US.
Why not?
Seems to me that the market has adequate service, why jump in and spark a fare war? Isnt seeking out and serving markets that are undersesrved, like WN does, a better strategy?
kirkpatrick
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Why does anyone bother to fly anywhere out of JFK then? There are a few million people on Long Island who find JFK much more convenient.
MK
Dont think there is much of a market to Houston. Would rather see more International, or even more to Boston, DCA or MIA.
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For the most recent month of DOT data boardings from LGA to destinations east of the Mississippi are up by 11% and are more than double boardings to the same destinations from JFK.
Those numbers include connecting passengers so it is worth just looking at local NYC passengers by airport.
For NYC local passengers, passengers east of the Mississippi use LGA at a rate more than 2.5X that of JFK and average fares out of LGA to the same markets are on average 11% higher.
Other data has long established that LGA is the preferred airport for shorthaul passengers from NYC when compared to EWR.
No carrier currently serves JFK-IAH so it is hard to know exactly how well the route will do but data for other data says that JFK-IAH will not generate anywhere close to the level of passengers or the average fare amounts comparable to LGA.
But maybe AA has an opening and really can use the route to get some passengers off of UA's nonstops from IAH and push them on AA's services over JFK even if those passengers could fly AA via DFW or ORD to many of the same cities.
Those numbers include connecting passengers so it is worth just looking at local NYC passengers by airport.
For NYC local passengers, passengers east of the Mississippi use LGA at a rate more than 2.5X that of JFK and average fares out of LGA to the same markets are on average 11% higher.
Other data has long established that LGA is the preferred airport for shorthaul passengers from NYC when compared to EWR.
No carrier currently serves JFK-IAH so it is hard to know exactly how well the route will do but data for other data says that JFK-IAH will not generate anywhere close to the level of passengers or the average fare amounts comparable to LGA.
But maybe AA has an opening and really can use the route to get some passengers off of UA's nonstops from IAH and push them on AA's services over JFK even if those passengers could fly AA via DFW or ORD to many of the same cities.
The statement was that EWR was closer than JFK to the city (which is what Manhattan is referred to, Technically both JFK and LGA are in New York city), which is 10 miles but around 30 minutes from LGA.
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yes, I know but the largest volume airport for NYC-Houston is LGA-IAH even though EWR-IAH is a hub to hub route for UA.
Either way, JFK is the least popular airport for markets that can be served by all 3 major NYC airports and in the markets that have service to all 3 airports, the JFK average fare is usually the lowest.
Either way, JFK is the least popular airport for markets that can be served by all 3 major NYC airports and in the markets that have service to all 3 airports, the JFK average fare is usually the lowest.
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