Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

[Ed Norton]

Who speaks 'European'? The term Arab is used in a similar fashion as American, Asian, European.... etc.

Ok. those people are all Ay-rabs. They also speak ayrabic in the Ay-rab Continent. You are correct

Not sure what that has to do with any thing.

Since we're speaking in generalities...

Has the US ever spied on it's allies?

The U.S does worse things through out the world. That's a whole other enchilada. Make that a falafel

Duh!! You just figured this out?

I'm enlightened by your world view.

Yes, that would be the one.

I knew it!

Why is god not mentioned in the COTUS or US law books? Just because a majority of the white men who founded the country were raised under some form of christianity does not mean that they based the country on christianity. There are quite a few quotes from the founders that would indicate that they had a very 'loose' belief of religion.

The founders were Deists. Deists acknowledge the Creator as the one who gives us our naturals rights, ie. life liberty, pursuit of happiness. Deist also believed that God did not interfere in the dealings of man kind, nor answered prayer. Deism was in vogue at the time.

Huh? Flt AA11 took off at 07:59 and impact took place at 08:39. No one had any idea what was going on for a god portion of the flight. So at best, there was 10 or 15 min to figure out what the hell was going on and take action. Not like we have planes flying in to buildings every day.

Payne Stewart
It took them half as long to intercept one wayward Lear jet. :huh:

Secure air space? That's like saying our borders and ports are secure. Te only secure space is a bubble over the Pentagon and the WH. The rest of it is so open you could fly an elephant around and no one would no.

The border is wide open because that is how the criminals who control the U.S. government want it. The airspace around the North East Corridor was left unprotrcted by the same criminals.
War Games on 9/11
It worked so well on 9/11, they did it on 7/7!
Its just a drill!

 

[777 fixer]

How about the fairy tale that 4 high jacked airplanes flew around for 45 minutes in some of the worlds most secure airspace without a single fighter being able to intercept them? All this done by a boogey man in a cave?

The much repeated myth/lie that the US has some of the most secure air space in the world and the 9-11 attacks were planned in a cave.

Anyone who's been in the US military can tell you that US air space prior to 9-11 could hardly be described as "some of the worlds most secure". Now if you consider "secure" meaning it's marked out on a Jeppesen map as restricted then I would say yes. However lines on a map mean nothing if you have little to back it up. The truth is there are third world countries with more secure air space than we had on 9-11. Countries with active SAM/AAA sites dotting the countryside, something the US hasn't had since the late 70's.

The truth of the matter is that on 9-11 we had about 14 fighter standing strip alert to cover the entire CONUS. When I was in the Navy stationed in San Diego you know how many fighters we had standing alert? ZERO, it was not our mission to stand strip alert. The closet fighters with that mission were up in Fresno. In other words the majority of the US Navy’s Pacific Fleet along with all it’s VF, VAW, VS, and HS/HSL units had to depend on fighters hundreds of miles away

 

[Ed Norton]

"Zionism/Zionist" is a code word bigots use for Jew whether their last name is Ahmadinejad or Duke. Do you think people like Ahmadinejad are going to try and seperate "Zionists" from "non-Zionist" if he decided one day to chuck a nuke in their direction?

What I find funny is that when you ask people if the words Hama, Syria mean anything you get a blank stare. Ask them about Gaza and the West Bank they know all about it.

You have been conditioned by AIPAC to think that anyone who uses the word Zionist is a bigot.
Are these Jews bigots? Neturei Karta
There is more danger of nuclear war from one of the Zionist state's 200 nuclear weapons, than from shorty flapping his gums over in Iran.

 

[777 fixer]

You have been conditioned by AIPAC to think that anyone who uses the word Zionist is a bigot.
Are these Jews bigots? Neturei Karta
There is more danger of nuclear war from one of the Zionist state's 200 nuclear weapons, than from shorty flapping his gums over in Iran.

It's rather obvious that you are the one who has been conditioned. I take it you stared blankly at your computer when you read the words Hama, Syria.

And where does it exactly say that Zionism "justifies the murder of brown people living in Palestine". Which is sort of an odd thing to say considering people in that part of the world look a lot alike. If it does say that does it mean anyone who considers themselves "Zionists" believes it? If so that must mean anyone who considers themselves Christian thinks it's okay to beat your wife.

By definition any Jew living in Israel is a Zionist by the way.

 

[777 fixer]

Payne Stewart
It took them half as long to intercept one wayward Lear jet. :huh:

The initial intercept took over an hour.

 

[delldude]

The initial intercept took over an hour.

duh.....wasn't bogey'd as a threat 777.............when it was flying in the 'dead pilot' mode someone was scrambled.....

 

[tech2101]

when it was flying in the 'dead pilot' mode someone was scrambled.....

oops

 

[Ed Norton]

The initial intercept took over an hour.

Thats BULL caca!
From the NTSB report:
At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.

About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response.

It took ATC nineteen minutes to alert the fighters; and like dell said, there was no perceived threat, ie. 7500 on the transponder or eratic communications.

 

[Garfield1966]

Fine, lets go with your fantasy. Airlines, FAA, USAF, and the FED all worked in perfect harmony and everyone in the line of command was on top of their game. F-16's get on the tail of a public jet liner from a major US carrier. No one is quite sure whats going on yet. Is it a hi-jacking? What is their intent? How do you think will authorize the splashing of a 767/757 full of US passengers over US soil? Maybe someone wold have been able to take out the second plane from the towers but no one would have authorized the strike before the first one hit because no one thought that would ever happen here in the US.

I do not feel like looking it up right now but IIRC, the authorization from Cheney (who IIRC does not have that authority) did not come till after the fact anyway. Secure air space my butt. You could fly a squadron of B-52's through the holes in the air security back then. I suspect the fact they were jet liners and not private aircraft gave them more leeway as well. hey have redundant systems, pilot/co-pilot ... less likely to become disabled so the FAA is not going to be too concerned.

 

[777 fixer]

Thats BULL caca!
From the NTSB report:
At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.

About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response.

It took ATC nineteen minutes to alert the fighters; and like dell said, there was no perceived threat, ie. 7500 on the transponder or eratic communications.

Do you know the difference between EDT and CDT? EDT is an hour ahead of CDT. It was 0833:38 CDT when ATC instructed N47BA to change freqs. To avoid any confusion lets go with Zulu time. At 1333Z ATC made the call to N47BA to change frequency over to another controller. The controller received no response. At 1452Z the F-16 pilot vectored to intercept N47BA made visual contact with the aircraft. So it took over an hour from the lack of response to ATC to the actual intercept.

If you had bothered to read the NTSB report you could have figured this out. On page three of the report note 7 says About 1010 EDT, the accident airplane crossed from the EDT zone to the CDT zone in the vicinity of Eufaula, Alabama. That's why the times listed in the report make it look like the intercept took only nineteen minutes.

If you are going to call other people "sheeple" you should do a better job checking your facts.

 

[delldude]

Nyaa nyaa....Nyaa nyaa.....

I prefer GMT.... :blink:

Love those 16's

 

[Ed Norton]

Do you know the difference between EDT and CDT? EDT is an hour ahead of CDT. It was 0833:38 CDT when ATC instructed N47BA to change freqs. To avoid any confusion lets go with Zulu time. At 1333Z ATC made the call to N47BA to change frequency over to another controller. The controller received no response. At 1452Z the F-16 pilot vectored to intercept N47BA made visual contact with the aircraft. So it took over an hour from the lack of response to ATC to the actual intercept.

If you had bothered to read the NTSB report you could have figured this out. On page three of the report note 7 says About 1010 EDT, the accident airplane crossed from the EDT zone to the CDT zone in the vicinity of Eufaula, Alabama. That's why the times listed in the report make it look like the intercept took only nineteen minutes.

If you are going to call other people "sheeple" you should do a better job checking your facts.

You are right about the time zones. However it could be a typo. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response. Did he just put it on the back burner and scambled the fighters an hour later?
That does not change the fact that there were training excercises on 9/11 simulating a Russian bomber attack through Canada, which kept all the fighters away; and they pulled the same training excercise scam on 7/7.

 

[tech2101]

You are right about the time zones. However it could be a typo. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response. Did he just put it on the back burner and scambled the fighters an hour later?
That does not change the fact that there were training excercises on 9/11 simulating a Russian bomber attack through Canada, which kept all the fighters away; and they pulled the same training excercise scam on 7/7.

Are you really going to rehash the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory here?

 

[Ed Norton]

Are you really going to rehash the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory here?

Insh-AllÄ￾h (إن شاء الله) :

Until the truth comes out, brother!

 

[Garfield1966]

Sorry Dell. I know pics are you 'thing' but I could not resist the urge.