Rio Flt 800 fumes

[Glucose Intolerant]

The point was: Whatever.

Could not have said it any better.

 

[nycbusdriver]

While I will agree with most of what you are saying, it does go beyond a labor argument. The smoke related incidences seem to be on the rise and should be a concern to all. There is real evidence with real people sick including pilots with neurological issues from what we are lead to believe. While I do not think it is helpful to be using as some bargaining chip, I certainly believe that some of the issues that have come to the surface warrant further investigation.

Stepping into the labor issue for a minute. If I were the head of the pilot union and my true motive were about safety why not get the mechanics on your side and come up with specific issues that need addressed. Mechanics see the deficiencies better than anybody. They could use it as an opportunity to educate the public about things like the outsourcing facilities that the airlines use and why we should take notice. The seemingly higher than usual smoke/fumes issue is a good example. If these are true events these then are true safety issues.

It's not a labor-management issue. It's a safety issue caused by management malfeasance in how they maintain the airplanes. Don't get me wrong, the US Airways mechanics are top notch in every respect, but they no longer perform a lot of the heavy maintenance on these aircraft, and that's where the high price of cheap will become more and more apparent. The US Airways mechanics are doing the best they can under extremely adverse conditions, both in their treatment by management and in the parts (and lack thereof) and servicing fluids they are now required to use on the airplanes. It is true that the pilots and mechanics (and flight attendants) should be natural allies in this safety campaign. It baffles me why they are not "on board for safety" in the very public manner that USAPA is. I do not question that they are all in favor of safety, but only the pilots seem to be taking a stand on the issue. Why? Who knows.

This incident could ha

I would like to correct a comment made by someone previously regarding the CAT II ILS into Rio. Had the APU been started, per procedure, I doubt there would have been a fume incident in the air. The APU bleed would not have been opened, as the APU would only be required as a third independent AC power source. That being said, if there was evidence of smoke from the APU seen from the tower in Brasilia, then it may well have caught fire in flight into Rio. That could have been tragic. USAPA has been saying the clock is ticking on a bad situation eating to the inevitable. How many more situations like this will it take before the company actually listens? Will it take some caskets? Is that what is needed? Sad to say, I really think that is the only thing that will wake to idiots in TEmpe up.

I am amazed that the captain didn't order the slides popped sooner. I am not sure of the timeline, but had I been sitting there with the cabin dark, hot and people getting sick, that's an emergency situation. An orderly (not rushed) evacuation with a little time to plan and time for pax to slide individually down could be accomplished with no injuries, IMHO.

 

[luvthe9]

Old habits die hard!! http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96023&page=1

 

[Barrister]

to

It's not a labor-management issue. It's a safety issue caused by management malfeasance in how they maintain the airplanes. Don't get me wrong, the US Airways mechanics are top notch in every respect, but they no longer perform a lot of the heavy maintenance on these aircraft, and that's where the high price of cheap will become more and more apparent. The US Airways mechanics are doing the best they can under extremely adverse conditions, both in their treatment by management and in the parts (and lack thereof) and servicing fluids they are now required to use on the airplanes. It is true that the pilots and mechanics (and flight attendants) should be natural allies in this safety campaign. It baffles me why they are not "on board for safety" in the very public manner that USAPA is. I do not question that they are all in favor of safety, but only the pilots seem to be taking a stand on the issue. Why? Who knows.

This incident could ha

I would like to correct a comment made by someone previously regarding the CAT II ILS into Rio. Had the APU been started, per procedure, I doubt there would have been a fume incident in the air. The APU bleed would not have been opened, as the APU would only be required as a third independent AC power source. That being said, if there was evidence of smoke from the APU seen from the tower in Brasilia, then it may well have caught fire in flight into Rio. That could have been tragic. USAPA has been saying the clock is ticking on a bad situation eating to the inevitable. How many more situations like this will it take before the company actually listens? Will it take some caskets? Is that what is needed? Sad to say, I really think that is the only thing that will wake to idiots in TEmpe up.

I am amazed that the captain didn't order the slides popped sooner. I am not sure of the timeline, but had I been sitting there with the cabin dark, hot and people getting sick, that's an emergency situation. An orderly (not rushed) evacuation with a little time to plan and time for pax to slide individually down could be accomplished with no injuries, IMHO.

Another consideration is under the CYA department. If it is a controlled situation caucas the crew....get their opinion and if there
are 10 crew members with 200 years experience and the consensus is pop the chutes.......much harder for someone to attack the decision later
ULTIMATE CRM at use!!!!! Not certain but i read a report which stated the A F/A basically told the Captain that that was his/her plan and he needed
to be ready.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

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to

Another consideration is under the CYA department. If it is a controlled situation caucas the crew....get their opinion and if there
are 10 crew members with 200 years experience and the consensus is pop the chutes.......much harder for someone to attack the decision later
ULTIMATE CRM at use!!!!! Not certain but i read a report which stated the A F/A basically told the Captain that that was her plan and he needed
to be ready.

NICDOA
NPJB

It wasn't a her - it was a him - and you are correct.

 

[ContUNITEus]

Old habits die hard!! http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96023&page=1

I like this link... I guess it proves a point.

 

[CLTUSCaptive]

Same bird? US 762 over Atlantic

 

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US flight diverted after smoke detected in cabin
Sat, Aug 13 16:15 PM EDT

BOSTON, Aug 13 (Reuters) - A US Airways (LCC.N) flight bound for Charlotte, North Carolina, was diverted to Boston on Saturday after smoke was detected in the cabin, the airline said.

None of the 192 passengers was injured, but four flight attendants were taken to a local hospital for evaluation, said US Airways spokeswoman Liz Landau.

The smoke in the cabin dissipated prior to landing, said Landau, but Flight 749 from Madrid, Spain, was diverted as a safety measure and landed at Boston's Logan International Airport shortly after 11 a.m. EDT (1500 GMT).

The aircraft will be taken out of service and inspected, she said. (Reporting by Lauren Keiper, editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and Vicki Allen)

The very same aircraft that was involved in the GIG diversion on the 7th
Guess it didn't get fixed.....

 

[SparrowHawk]

US flight diverted after smoke detected in cabin
Sat, Aug 13 16:15 PM EDT

BOSTON, Aug 13 (Reuters) - A US Airways (LCC.N) flight bound for Charlotte, North Carolina, was diverted to Boston on Saturday after smoke was detected in the cabin, the airline said.

The very same aircraft that was involved in the GIG diversion on the 7th
Guess it didn't get fixed.....

This is Bull Feces. Somehow with the "Tempe Turds" this will be a "Job Action". It's time for someone to pull all of these incidents together and present them to DOT & the FAA and anyone else such as Rep Johns Mica's House Sub Committee of aviation.

It's time to get to the bottom of these incidents BEFORE somebody dies.

Question: Is the airworthiness of the aircraft in jeopardy when these things happen as they have?

 

[luvthe9]

The very same aircraft that was involved in the GIG diversion on the 7th
Guess it didn't get fixed.....

Come on now there is no safety issuse here!!! Tempe does not want to fix anything. I'm starting to get a little worried.

 

[N924PS]

This is Bull Feces. Somehow with the "Tempe Turds" this will be a "Job Action". It's time for someone to pull all of these incidents together and present them to DOT & the FAA and anyone else such as Rep Johns Mica's House Sub Committee of aviation.

It's time to get to the bottom of these incidents BEFORE somebody dies.

Question: Is the airworthiness of the aircraft in jeopardy when these things happen as they have?

It is a very puzzling issue.

Incidents have occured on different fleet types and at several carriers. United diverted to Havana recently for fumes, an A320 I think.

USAPA published a list of USAirways aircraft that have had smoke/fume incidents recently. I don't recall if Ship 246 was on it or not. Sister Ship 251, also a B767-200 has experienced several smoke/fume events.

USAirways has established a Cabin Air Quality task force to address these incidents. Apparently they have much work to do.

The issue seems to be toxic fumes from APU oil or engine oil migrating into the air conditioning/bleed systems and being delivered into the cabin. There must be a common denominator somewhere, and the Company, FAA, and manufacturers will be hard at work to solve this problem before it becomes catastrophic.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

It is a very puzzling issue.
There must be a common denominator somewhere, and the Company, FAA, and manufacturers will be hard at work to solve this problem before it becomes catastrophic.

Not really.....

There is a common denominator :

ST Aero Mobile Alabama

MOBILE, Alabama -- A group of US Airways flight attendants and pilots has sued ST Aerospace Mobile, claiming that bad work done at the Mobile airplane maintenance facility led to a fume problem that repeatedly sickened airline employees and passengers.

More of that "cost neutral" mentality coming back on US and biting with vengeance.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It is a very puzzling issue.

Incidents have occured on different fleet types and at several carriers. United diverted to Havana recently for fumes, an A320 I think.

USAPA published a list of USAirways aircraft that have had smoke/fume incidents recently. I don't recall if Ship 246 was on it or not. Sister Ship 251, also a B767-200 has experienced several smoke/fume events.

USAirways has established a Cabin Air Quality task force to address these incidents. Apparently they have much work to do.

The issue seems to be toxic fumes from APU oil or engine oil migrating into the air conditioning/bleed systems and being delivered into the cabin. There must be a common denominator somewhere, and the Company, FAA, and manufacturers will be hard at work to solve this problem before it becomes catastrophic.

TONY< word up moron, it has been " catastrophic" for over a year, just because "YOUR" not effected does not mean it aint a problem!

 

[700UW]

From the FAA Database on ST Mobile Aerospace:

Personnel
Certificated Mechanics: 355
Repairmen: 60
Non-Certificated Mechanics: 921
Total Employees: 1336


Alarming there are over 500 more unlicensed mechanics working the planes than licensed!

 

[SparrowHawk]

From the FAA Database on ST Mobile Aerospace:

Personnel
Certificated Mechanics: 355
Repairmen: 60
Non-Certificated Mechanics: 921
Total Employees: 1336


Alarming there are over 500 more unlicensed mechanics working the planes than licensed!

Beyond the desire of the dues grubbing IAM that isn't really the issues. You and I have had this conversation before. having sold outsourcing services for close to 10 years the issue is Management oversight to ensure that the contractor is in compliance. Doesn't really reflect on US in house MTC or ST Mobile Aerospace workers either.

Where the issue is in the Management of US.

When I sold Outsourcing the customer wrote the specs and we priced our services to be competitive. Often at a lower margin. Trust me when I tell you we cut corners right up until they called us on the carpet. It was a game of cat and mouse. The difference was I sold Copier/copies not airline MTC which if performed improperly could result in loss of life.