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[777 fixer]

lol yea right keep telling yourself that  the jv group Isis is all on the messiah obama

 
ISIS exists because we invaded.  There's no getting around that.

 

[777 fixer]

 
Little reality check for trip seven:
 
 
A 1998 law passed by Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton authorized up to $97 million in military assistance to Iraqi opposition forces ‘to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein’ and ‘promote the emergence of a democratic government’. There was a considerable change inU.S. policy toward Iraqwhen George W. Bush took office in January 2001. A group of former democrats, who represented a more expansionist foreign policy than the traditional realist line of the Republican Party, gained a foothold in the party as early as in 1994.
 
When the House and the Senate passed the Iraq Liberation Act, it was clear what the U.S. intentions were in the case of Saddam. Bill Clinton made it Washington’s policy to get rid of this dictator. But even if individual actors or even groups and organizations inside the U.S. wanted this line of policy followed up by hard action, resorting to military confrontation depended on the structures and opportunities the system would allow.
 
When Bill Clinton was president, it would be very difficult to gather support for a war against Iraq, both abroad and in the U.S. Even though the world could be described as unipolar, and even though this gives the U.S. freedom of action in its foreign policy, engaging in war still requires some sort of acquiescence from its allies, so as not to hurt U.S. interests in the long run. Therefore, even if Bill Clinton wanted to invade, he did not have a window of opportunity to do so.
 
The 9/11 attacks opened up this window of opportunity for the new president, George W. Bush, even if the Iraqi dictator presumably did not comprehend this new U.S. leeway.  There had of course been strife within the U.S. governmental apparatus, but after President Bush received a carte blanche from the Congress to go to war, the administration gathered around a single course of action.
 
Also, the U.S. had a history of not following through their policy to remove Saddam Hussein from power. In addition to the potential threat Iraq posed to the U.S., President Bush had to take into consideration the threat against U.S. allies in the region.
 
http://www.popularsocialscience.com/2012/10/25/why-did-the-united-states-invade-iraq-in-2003-2/

 
Here's a history lesson/reality check for you dell.  George Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq.  Not Bill Clinton, not congress.  George Bush and no one else.

 

[cltrat]

really ? in a region where we've been hated for decades the only reason ISIS exists is because those poor fellows were put in prison together? lol I'm sure it would have never happened otherwise.
 Bin Lindin or the the Taliban didn't need an invasion to come about ,
If you want to tell yourself that little fairy tale to make you feel better about how ISIS has grown form that jv unit to a multi nation all pro unit under Obama knock yourself out.
The way things are going under Obama it's not if they light us up here ,it's just when.
Of course you'll have your Blame Bush card handy to throw out making yourself look foolish since we all know the great Messiah Obama makes no mistakes

 

[Ifly2]

Just.can.not.admit.to.self.that.self.was.lied.to.and.fell.for.IT.

Must.perpetuate.lie.

Wea ll know how that works out, eventually.

 

[delldude]

Oh...that program from Jimmy Carter....I'll never understand why someone who got a loan in 1978 waited until 2007 to default on it.  
 
The one thing he WAS able to do in 1999 was to sign the omnibus spending bill, that had this "Gramm Leach Bliley" act attached to it.  THAT GOP idea allowed those banks that were "forced" to make those loans to bundle them up and sell them as "investment grade" to pension funds and other investors.  That's a hoot too...that bill, more than the "forcing of bad loans"  cause the 2008 collapse.  
 
And just for the record....nobody in the Carter or Clinton administration forced anyone at countrywide to adopt the attitude of "fund 'em".  That was the corporate dictate.  

 
CRA was signed by the peanut farmer and sat dormant pretty much dormant under Reagan, GHWB  pushed it some, then Slick Willie put it on steroids using the full regulatory power and intimidating action of the government to put the heat on lenders plus sent the democrat browncoats in red, Acorn to do demonstrations at banking institutions all across the fruited plain. "do these loans or we'll audit your bank (and find issues)" You know, just like oBama did with health insurers. The toxic loans took off under Crinton and banks had to deal with it under threat of regulatory intervention.There were congressional hearings on this as banks knew where the bridge was out.
 
And thank you for showing how one presidents actions can have far reaching affects on future administrations.
 

 
ISIS exists because we invaded.  There's no getting around that.

 
ISIS factions and ideology has been boiling for centuries. It came to a head in Iraq because all those disillusioned followers of the religion of peace couldn't find gainful employment. That's a matter of public record.
 

 
Here's a history lesson/reality check for you dell.  George Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq.  Not Bill Clinton, not congress.  George Bush and no one else.

 
See CRA of 1977 in above post for enlightenment on presidents actions affecting future administrations.

 

[Ifly2]

First, It's All On Obama

Then, this:

"ISIS factions and ideology has been boiling for centuries. It came to a head in Iraq because all those disillusioned followers of the religion of peace couldn't find gainful employment"

From the defend W no matter what the facts are crowd.

The divisions and warring between factions has been boiking for centuries (amongst Christians too, btw...)

Our invasion of Iraq facilitated the formation of ISIS, providing not only the opportuniy for the seeds to germinate, but also a fertile environment for them to grow and mature in.

 

[delldude]

First, It's All On Obama

Then, this:

"ISIS factions and ideology has been boiling for centuries. It came to a head in Iraq because all those disillusioned followers of the religion of peace couldn't find gainful employment"

From the defend W no matter what the facts are crowd.

The divisions and warring between factions has been boiking for centuries (amongst Christians too, btw...)

Our invasion of Iraq facilitated the formation of ISIS, providing not only the opportuniy for the seeds to germinate, but also a fertile environment for them to grow and mature in.

 
And with that statement, you've unwittingly validated my point.
 
Thanks for playing. 

 

[Ifly2]

"Boiling for centuries"?

Yeah, I openly directly agreed

It was "our" invasion and the environment ( anarchy... ) that we created in Iraq that facilitated and enabled it's germination and maturation.

Epic fail

It belongs to W and the NeoCon radicals

It was also predictable, and if they had been honest with the American people about the real goals and costs, would (probably...) never have happened.

Folks wanted bin Laden and AQ, whom George wasn't even thinking much about.

Ever...

 

[delldude]

"Boiling for centuries"?

Yeah, I openly directly agreed

It was "our" invasion and the environment ( anarchy... ) that we created in Iraq that facilitated and enabled it's germination and maturation.

Epic fail

It belongs to W and the NeoCon radicals

It was also predictable, and if they had been honest with the American people about the real goals and costs, would (probably...) never have happened.

Folks wanted bin Laden and AQ, whom George wasn't even thinking much about.

Ever...

 

 

verb (used with object), facilitated, facilitating. 1. to make easier or less difficult; help forward (an action, a process, etc.):
 

 
Pre-existing condition.

 
Bite the dust space cadet.
 
Once again, thanks for playing.  

 

[Ifly2]

Thank you too.

Facilitated, and enabled, is exactly what " we" did.

Fertilized and watered, and equipped, also.

Thanks George

 

[delldude]

Thank you too.

Facilitated, and enabled, is exactly what " we" did.

Fertilized and watered, and equipped, also.

Thanks George

 
Like I said, the seed had been in the ground for quite some time. 
 
And once again, you unwittingly prove my point.  

 

[Ifly2]

Unwittingly?

I flat out agreed

In the ground is not what we have now, amd we fed it and fertilized and watered it

 

[delldude]

Unwittingly?

I flat out agreed

In the ground is not what we have now, amd we fed it and fertilized and watered it

 

Unwittingly?

I flat out agreed

In the ground is not what we have now, amd we fed it and fertilized and watered it

 
No, it took you this many replies to realize what your were saying. 

 

[777 fixer]

really ? in a region where we've been hated for decades the only reason ISIS exists is because those poor fellows were put in prison together? lol I'm sure it would have never happened otherwise.
 Bin Lindin or the the Taliban didn't need an invasion to come about ,
If you want to tell yourself that little fairy tale to make you feel better about how ISIS has grown form that jv unit to a multi nation all pro unit under Obama knock yourself out.
The way things are going under Obama it's not if they light us up here ,it's just when.
Of course you'll have your Blame Bush card handy to throw out making yourself look foolish since we all know the great Messiah Obama makes no mistakes

 
Get this through your head ISIS exists because we were there.  When you have a group whose leadership consists of Iraqi Sunni's and officers from Saddam's army and republican guard should clue you into this.  Two groups buy the way that Saddam looked after rather well.

 

[Ifly2]

Dude,

From my first post on the IS thing...

"Read a little history

"In the summer of 2004, a young jihadist..."

A jihadist is a "seed"

Never denied that, ever...

The seeds had, to paraphrase your book, largely in modern history fallen on rocky and barren ground. Sure a sprig would pop up every now and then, only to get trampled underfoot or wither away.

We created a frigging garden, with rabbit proof fences and an fertile crescent for it to spread.