Republic Airways to buy 10 jets from US Airways

[FutureUScapt]

With this announcement, all remaining E190 flying will be based out of PHL.

 

[dexter]

Will this be the last harrah for PIT employees? Is this how our company chooses to make PIT an Express city and wipe out mainline?

Something is coming down, too quiet at the Sandcastle after the sale went public.

Your thoughts?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Your thoughts?

PIT has enough O&D to retain service, even if it's mostly/all Express service to the hubs plus a few point to point flights where there's no lcc competition (like DCA). I'd be surprised if even a merger would eliminate PIT service (although which pre-merger airline's employees would work those flights is an unknown).

In fact, IMHO only one thing would completely eliminate US' service in PIT - if US went out of business.

Further reductions are another subject, however.

Jim

 

[USFlyer]

PIT will always be a 'spoke' on the US network. The days of PIT being a 'hub' or 'focus city' are obviously gone, but some service will always exist, which will almost surely be a combination of mainline and express.

 

[john john]

Your thoughts?

Yost should have listen the small and medium stations
NOW you one

 

[N924PS]

Yost should have listen the small and medium stations
NOW you one

You should have listened to your English teachers.

 

[john john]

You should have listened to your English teachers.

And you and the chips should have listen to your membership
Thanks for the RJ’s NOT stay on topic. Why is so much flying done by express?
And why not bring it BACK to mainline. Why are perfectly good mainline aircraft being sold. Why solid language doesn’t exists to grow mainline when flying is being added
Is seems like ALPA leadership should have listen to there teachers/membership

 

[BoeingBoy]

It was the membership that ratified the agreements expanding the number/size of RJ's, john john. Except for the transition agreement, but that just added the CRJ900's that were allowed in the West contract to the E170's that were allowed in the East contract (and the 175's that came later fit within the same description but the total number didn't change).

Why doesn't AFA have stronger scope language? Or the IAM? The CWA? All the unions were free to try negotiating scope language that would have stopped the shift of mainline flying to express - what held them back? Maybe they should have listened to their membership. Or maybe their membership should complain to their union instead of blaming someone else.

Jim

 

[john john]

Why doesn't AFA have stronger scope language? Or the IAM? The CWA? All the unions were free to try negotiating scope language that would have stopped the shift of mainline flying to express - what held them back? Maybe they should have listened to their membership. Or maybe their membership should complain to their union instead of blaming someone else.

Jim

And less not forget the CRJ900……. 92 86seat aircraft
If CWA or IAM flew the planes maybe they could have protected the flying
Flying the planes has never being in there scope. The pilots were easy targets for glass and gang that is why the company started with them. Heck US had pilots lobbying against CWA IAM and AFA for trying to get more job protection
DL pilots have language that triggers mainline to grow if certain work environment exits

 

[Travelpro72]

:blink:

 

[BoeingBoy]

And less not forget the CRJ900……. 92 86seat aircraft

What planes did you think I was referring to in the transition agreement? I said the CRJ900's that were operated for HP plus the allowable E170's that could be operated for "old" US provided the total number that's in the TA. The E175's fit within the seating/weight limit specified in the HP contract so became allowed but the total number of planes up to 88 seats (90 if no F/C) and up to 90,000# MTOW did not increase. The seating limit and MTOW came directly from the HP pilot's contract, so Glass had nothing to do with that language.

If CWA or IAM flew the planes maybe they could have protected the flying

So you're saying only pilots have an interest in the number of mainline planes because pilots are the only group that flies them?

Flying the planes has never being in there scope.

I said nothing about them flying the planes, but if members of those unions and the AFA (whose members do staff the planes) are going to complain about the loss of mainline planes maybe scope is of interest to them. So negotiate scope, a minimum fleet count, or minimum block hours. Heck, negotiate all three to suit the members wishes. There is not a thing proventing the other unions from doing that except the company. Maybe it's not the pilots that are the pushovers. At least the pilots (both West and East) kept the 190's from being flown by express - what did the AFA do? Oh, that's right - complain about the loss of flying but wouldn't lift a finger to stop it.

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

Jim do you honestly think that AFA has the brains to negotiate scope to keep mainline aircraft? You'd think they would have thought about it or tried since the aircraft are staffed by our f/a's. Go figure huh? I know everyone likes to blame the pilots. The f/a's are about as weak as water. Anyhow, so sad to see the E190 go.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I guess I'm getting less tolerant in my old age. I'm just tired of those whose union didn't do a thing to keep flying from being transferred to Express complain that "It's the pilots fault". As I said in another forum, I remember when Wolf had his "more Airbuses than God can count" in exchange for more concessions (including scope relief) deal on the table and more than a few members of the other unions were saying "Why don't you just accept it so we can get on with the growth".

Jim

 

[john john]

The seating limit and MTOW came directly from the HP pilot's contract, so Glass had nothing to do with that language.



So you're saying only pilots have an interest in the number of mainline planes because pilots are the only group that flies them?



IJim

The transition agreement got the pilots contract in line for the merge who and why this was develop the answer is clear


Pilot’s scope is the bedrock of what planes USAirways flies
However United AFA had scope that was very strong. Always thought a coalition of the unions on selective issue would be productive, AFA and the USAPA/ALPA and CWA have had some experience in this. Unitization of an alliance should be explored
This is hard there are some employee groups that think they save the airline
No names mention

 

[flybynite]

We do have scope language for minimum aircraft.

Our contract states... the minimum active fleet shall be 279 aircraft(excluding SJs but including permanent bid plus 8% for active spares) with daily utilization rate measured monthly of no less than 10 hours, whether or not the Company is in Chapter 11.

Hope that helps.