Recall of Council 89 CLT LEC

[700UW]

Thay's what I would like to know.

AFA didn't like the last TA so they better come back with a much improved TA.

I voted yes.

I'm along for the ride.

Please explain the process to the uneducated on this board.

You are the AFA and the majority of your coworkers voted it down, not the negotiating committee, and once again, why dont you go to Tempe and force Doug to give you a new CBA and tell us how you are going to accomplish this feat.

 

[Pi brat]

Is this what you were looking for?

Uh, yeah. That why I said it in the post you quoted.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

You are the AFA and the majority of your coworkers voted it down, not the negotiating committee, and once again, why dont you go to Tempe and force Doug to give you a new CBA and tell us how you are going to accomplish this feat.

I am the AFA who bothered to go to a roadshow - to ask questions not to heckle.

I am the AFA who had a question and called the union office and had my question answered.

I am the AFA who went to a townhall meeting.

I am the AFA who respected a no vote argument based in fact not fiction.

I am the AFA who watched the video.

I am the AFA who did the due diligence yet had to listen too many who did not.

I am the AFA who did not spread half turths and outright falsehoods.

I am the AFA who had civil debate with an open mind if the other person also was civil and willing to listen.

I am not the AFA who berated people for CONSIDERING voting yes.

I am not the AFA who did not go to roadshows to ask questions.

I am not the AFA who did not go to the source to have their questions answered but instead turned to the rumor mill that is FB.

I am not the AFA who publicly remained neutral but under cut the TA and subordinate AFA officiers doing the dirty work. (Are you talking about that process?)

Now tell me about the process that I don't get.

 

[700UW]

You said nothing in regard to how you would get a new CBA from Doug.

You said nothing about negotiations and understanding the process.

All you have done is pat yourself on the back.

Now, how would you get a new CBA from Doug?

http://railwaylaboract.com/RLA-CB-Diag.htm

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

You said nothing in regard to how you would get a new CBA from Doug.

You said nothing about negotiations and understanding the process.

All you have done is pat yourself on the back.

Now, how would you get a new CBA from Doug?

http://railwaylabora...RLA-CB-Diag.htm

I would fill out my survey.

I have as much pull as you in Tempe - NONE.

So explain "The Process" since you are a battle tested union negotiator and prone to saying "You don't get it."

Enlighten the uneducated.

And stop being an anonymous user.

 

[700UW]

First of all answer the question?

How would you get Doug and US Airways to give you a contract?

Two click on the link, look up RLA and Negotiations.

Third, I dont have to identify myself, you havent, now have you?

How are you going to force Doug to get you a new cba?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

First of all answer the question?

How would you get Doug and US Airways to give you a contract?

Two click on the link, look up RLA and Negotiations.

Third, I dont have to identify myself, you havent, now have you?

How are you going to force Doug to get you a new cba?

Your question has been answered.

Now how about "The Process" that I don't get?

What part do I not get?

And I will remind you I am along for the ride.

The PHL & CLT LEP control this TA. It better be good or the masses may turn on them. Expectations are for more than just a few "tweeks".

Don't believe me - check out FB.

 

[Toothy Grin]

wait a minute! you're both saying the same thing...the new ta is going to basically be a shuffling of monies and tweaks to the original presented language. Unless were extremely lucky there won't be any new developments. We now have a set up of time spent negotiating what was deemed most important as dictated by the 50 or so people that could be bothered with filling out the survey.

There is a funny ironic twist 700 when you ask "how are you going to get doug to approve he new cba" <== paraphrased. Wasn't the reason for the original recall basically the same motives? There isn't any legal way to get the cba. We have the best process in place that is possible and that is the mediator. For all the talk, I haven't seen any huge visible upsets from the East bases over the years. I'd watch the Clt meetings and think shouldn't they be serving tea with finger sandwiches?
Meanwhile, I have seen Phx fa's walk out of meetings in both negotiations and crew news, have harsh words and on and on.

now the troops are disallusioned with c/c. I wasn't too impressed with the newly appointed officers from the get go...I heard them speak at the town halls and thought they were not presenting anything new so how could they affect a great change in any capacity?

 

[flybynite]

I have yet to see a petition being passed around. I "m begining to think it's a figment of someone's imagination.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

All you have done is pat yourself on the back.
http://railwaylabora...RLA-CB-Diag.htm

Apparently you like your membership uninformed and compliant.

Thank you for the flow chart, I realize now that I wasn't giving myself enough credit.

Thank you.

Now how about the process that I "don't get"?

How 'bout it?

Your big on answering the "question".

Explain to the none Big Cheese union negoitiators.

You know - the rank and file.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I am the AFA who bothered to go to a roadshow - to ask questions not to heckle.

I am the AFA who had a question and called the union office and had my question answered.

I am the AFA who went to a townhall meeting.

I am the AFA who respected a no vote argument based in fact not fiction.

I am the AFA who watched the video.

I am the AFA who did the due diligence yet had to listen too many who did not.

I am the AFA who did not spread half turths and outright falsehoods.

I am the AFA who had civil debate with an open mind if the other person also was civil and willing to listen.

I am not the AFA who berated people for CONSIDERING voting yes.

I am not the AFA who did not go to roadshows to ask questions.

I am not the AFA who did not go to the source to have their questions answered but instead turned to the rumor mill that is FB.

I am not the AFA who publicly remained neutral but under cut the TA and subordinate AFA officiers doing the dirty work. (Are you talking about that process?)

Now tell me about the process that I don't get.

So what do you want? A cookie? You did what a good union person would do. Nothing more, nothing less and you seem to think your actions deserve some type of reward or pat on the back.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

So what do you want? A cookie? You did what a good union person would do. Nothing more, nothing less and you seem to think your actions deserve some type of reward or pat on the back.

What a jackass comment.

I do what I'm supposed to do but have to put up with the ignorant morons who have done none of this and I get Sh*t from you and The Oh S0 Great Union Negotiator.

You probably didn't enjoy doing the right thing in your past career and you probably don't enjoy doing the right thing now.

Karma's a B**ch.

Own what you do and what you do is who you are.

Go F*** yourself.

You desreve everything you have.

 

[700UW]

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[SparrowHawk]

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She seems upset at me doesn't she? Oh well to bad so sad. Sometimes you work your assets off and lose. That's life in the adult world. People lie that are the reason I've NEVER wored a Union Job a day in my life.

 

[Toothy Grin]

The writer is upset with you perhaps because this great idea that everyone knew was so right to do (to vote down the ta) was so wrong and was mostly done out of pride and arrogance. Voting down the TA had a cost to it that was not only a dollar figure, but also a quality of life for many. Sadly, this misstep can mainly attributed to mental laziness mixed in with pure fantasy of 'how great I am', then of course later on, reality set in.

Now we're having a bad hair day and to trivialize this in terms of a contest that sometimes you win sometimes you lose is bordering on flamebate really.

I hope that one day your sing song attitude matures and is able to thoughtfully draw and think of better conclusions that what you are producing thus far. Or does this to have to be input into you ROBOT/PaulBot!