Reality

[delldude]

Furthermore, the IAM could be in for a big surprise
well mister pilot.....WTF are you refering to?you are the one and only smack with the UCT horsecrap..so tell me now what are you pointing to?
If I was a mechanic, I would lobby my union to find a way to cost competively conduct heavy maintenance in-house or things could get much worse for you and your colleagues.
get this through your little head...if IAM wins in 3rd circuit court of appeals..its a done deal...when you skycaps gonna realize this?and i don't give a roily crap what dave does or intends to do regarding IAM covered work....if it was ALPA outsourcing you'd be screaming bloody murder...so do not give me any of this company horsecrap...and furthermore you aren't a mechanic so please keep your pilot rants within your group .i'm scared now Deleted...i'm going down and hide in the basement....oh wo is me....
BESIDES,TONITE AT WORK THE HOT RUMORWAS ALPA WAS SELLING OUT HEAVY MAINTENANCE AS A WAY TO SAVE MONEY...we going back suddenly to the me first crap?

 

[delldude]

320,
Maybe someone will help these troops.

EVERONE IN PIT WANTS THIS TO WORK OUT FOR UAIR.

hey guy........you are right to a degree...however IAM will not budge on the outsource issue....take it to the bank.........

 

[cavalier]

Dell...watch your back...this posters has turned me in, I guess like you, I was too hard on him.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Nobody likes the current situation that faces all of the network carriers. In regard to the IAM, it's not only about the A320 heavy maintenance issue, but the upcoming discussions on work rule changes.

The only reason the company wants to outsource maintenance is because it's cheaper to conduct. My point is that it may be in the best interest of the mechanics to negotiate a deal to keep the overhaul in-house or there could be a corporate response where the IAM will have no recourse to a negative issue.

It's up to the IAM and we will know more after the judge issues his appellate ruling.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

No need to negotiate, you can't trust this so called management team, they have lied, cheated and stolen from its employees.

The IAM owns the work, the courts have said it three times all ready and will say it for the fourth time.

How's that pension?

It is also cheaper to have Mesa fly our routes, move over Ernie's brother, Johnny O is gonna have YOUR Replacement fly the mainline jets, then maybe you will learn what this is all about.

 

[cavalier]

QUOTE>but the upcoming discussions on work rule changes.

Get it straight, there are NO talks up coming, period!

Quote> The only reason the company wants to outsource maintenance is because it's cheaper to conduct. My point is that it may be in the best interest of the mechanics to negotiate a deal to keep the overhaul in-house or there could be a corporate response where the IAM will have no recourse to a negative issue.

Go for it

QUOTE>It's up to the IAM and we will know more after the judge issues his appellate ruling.

It's up to US the members of the IAM and we already made our decision you just can't accept it, you're messing your pants over this.

Love.... Cav

 

[delldude]

CAV:thanks for the heads up...hey tell him they'd only lose 1500 mechanic jobs...i think its worth it to save the airline and their pension. count me in....

 

[ClueByFour]

The only reason the company wants to outsource maintenance is because it's cheaper to conduct. My point is that it may be in the best interest of the mechanics to negotiate a deal to keep the overhaul in-house or there could be a corporate response where the IAM will have no recourse to a negative issue.

Here's the thing: it sure looks from this observer's perch like the IAM has already decided that there will be no scope negotiations.

Bearing that in mind, should the IAM win in court, exactly what is the company going to do? IAM mechs have to perform the work on the property in that eventuality. You have to admit that the company is on very shaky legal ground with the outsourcing issue. I'd almost be willing to take it to Vegas that the 3rd circuit upholds Cindrich.

Should that happen, the company has no move on heavy. You do realize that what US management is trying to do to the M&R group is akin to letting Mesa fly the Airbus fleet. What would you, as an ALPA member do, if the company tried that? Negotiate cheaper rates?

 

[delldude]

CLUE:good point.

 

[USA320Pilot]

There are reports that if the IAM prevails in court, there could be a move that badly hurts the current mechanics more. If the company is required to conduct in-house heavy maintenance under the present system then US Airways would have to recall furloughed mechanics.

Thus, I believe it would be in the best interests of current IAM-M members to cut a deal.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[delldude]

...the only deal we are cutting is in phl in 3rd circuit.the last deal we cut was in sept 2003 and we intend to abide by it.
how would recalling furloghed employees hurt present employees?oh we already expect some rath of dave..like there are reports of hvy going to indy to spite us.we will survive.

 

[michael707767]

The only reason the company wants to outsource maintenance is because it's cheaper to conduct.
Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

I can't help but ask what your reaction would be if management wanted to outsource the A-320 flying because it could be done cheaper by Ryan?, or someone else?

 

[Dilligas]

Thus, I believe it would be in the best interests of current IAM-M members to cut a deal.

It is apparent to me that you have the best interest of only one person in mind.

Everyone else should bend over, sacrifice, lose their job if necessary to keep you in your left seat.

For people making 30-50K, the motivation to save this airline is gone. The pilots have everything to lose and everyone knows it. You will never replace your lost income. The other folks will.

It's a lot easier to adjust to 35K from 50K than from 200K to 35K.

Stop trying to act like you're saving the vast unwashed from themselves. You aren't fooing anyone. I don't think the IAM, the AFA, or the TWU and CWA cares what you think they should do.

 

[ClueByFour]

There are reports that if the IAM prevails in court, there could be a move that badly hurts the current mechanics more. If the company is required to conduct in-house heavy maintenance under the present system then US Airways would have to recall furloughed mechanics.

Perhaps, unlike some labor unions, the IAM-M does not enjoy the taste of their young and actually tries to help them out now and then.

The threat from CCY is moving heavy mx to IND. Of course, that requires both capital and a decent credit rating, both of which are in short supply at this time.....

And while all this is going on, if you believe that U legal eagles, U is losing 42k/day in revenue for each plane parked. Do the math. Little Dave's ego is hurting the airline. The IAM is attempting to enforce the contract they they negotiated and signed.

ALPA's greivence committee sure is busy--perhaps you should address their efforts?

 

[usfliboi]

Mr C Why do you bother trying to explain reality to these guys. They think IAM wont talk? LOL RIGHT! When they say they will then youll hear about getting another union. What scares me is that some of the posters on here are actually working on our aircrafts. I hope that for everyones sake their more level headed. Iam will talk TAKE that to the bank. They would be a fool and they cant afford more union due losses.