Question On Outsourcing

[Hopeful]

This question is directed to CIO:

Since the TWU pulled off such a coup by limiting outsourcing, how is it that the number of PS and A checks and MELS cleared being done by international stations has increased threefold?

I bet I know what your answer will be...................

"THAT'S NOT OUTSOURCING, THEY ARE EMPLOYEES OF AMERICAN AIRLINES"

 

[James T. Kirk]

This question is directed to CIO:

Since the TWU pulled off such a coup by limiting outsourcing, how is it that the number of PS and A checks and MELS cleared being done by international stations has increased threefold?

I bet I know what your answer will be...................

"THAT'S NOT OUTSOURCING, THEY ARE EMPLOYEES OF AMERICAN AIRLINES"

Where is your proof, where is your decimation. That is because you don’t have any just more of the UNION BUSTING amfa tactics.

 

[Bob Owens]

Where is your proof, where is your decimation. That is because you don’t have any just more of the UNION BUSTING amfa tactics.

Its all in the Logbooks.

We see aircraft that will from overseas to NY, get no checks in NY, go back and get ACKs overseas.

It happens all the time.

Proof, what do you want us to do? Copy the logbook ? Can we do that? Is the union providing the means to make such copies? Or are you advocating that members take the logbooks-property of the company, make copies on the companies copy machine, and send it to the TWU?

And the TWU will do as much about them as they are about staffing Charlotte, the Force Majeure, protecting its members from pay cuts etc.

Everything is A-ok as long as the dues keep flowing, dues to pay for their raises.

Union Busting? Do you know what the phrase means? This union is beyond busted.

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

Since the TWU pulled off such a coup by limiting outsourcing, how is it that the number of PS and A checks and MELS cleared being done by international stations has increased threefold?

With regard to MEL's, the vast majority that are cleared overseas are done so because they are very simple fixes. I don't understand why half of the MEL's/PDL's are deferred. It is quicker and easier to fix the problem than it is to raise the deferral and accomplish the paperwork.

 

[Bob Owens]

With regard to MEL's, the vast majority that are cleared overseas are done so because they are very simple fixes. I don't understand why half of the MEL's/PDL's are deferred. It is quicker and easier to fix the problem than it is to raise the deferral and accomplish the paperwork.

Because if anything should go wrong, broken fastener etc and you get a delay you will get a CR-1 for not just placarding it. We would be told "Why did you waste time fixing it when you could have placarded it".

Rule of thumb on line maint is if its placardable then placard it, fix it at night. If you are fixing a placardable item and something that is not placardable goes wrong on that or another airplane you cant split yourself in two.

 

[Hopeful]

First of all Kirk, if you are a mechanic at a major line station, the logbooks for 777's and 767,s which fly internationally are documented with Ps and A checks and cleared MEL's. This all the proof you need. Unless you are not a mechanic and have no access to logbooks. But if you need more proof, just contact Bobby Gless and he will give you the same answer he gave me:

"They are AA employees, doesn't matter where they are based."


On the MEL clearing comment, Bob Owens is correct about getting a CR1 entry in your personnel file if you take a delay. This is especially a sore point with management when you take a delay trying to repair a broken armrest when it could have been placarded.

Don't you know why the MEL was created?

You can check for yourself KIRK by just going into SABRE DECS and pick any 777 or 767 that makes the international rounds. Pull up their routing and you will see for yourself the scheduled PS and A checks.


"DAMNIT, JIM, I'M A MECHANIC, NOT A BUS DRIVER!"

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

Because if anything should go wrong, broken fastener etc and you get a delay you will get a CR-1 for not just placarding it. We would be told "Why did you waste time fixing it when you could have placarded it".

Rule of thumb on line maint is if its placardable then placard it, fix it at night. If you are fixing a placardable item and something that is not placardable goes wrong on that or another airplane you cant split yourself in two.

We certainly would not get a CR-1 for causing a delay, unless you really F****d up! I think any half decent AMT should know how far they can push a limit on fixing or deferring something. The sort of deferrals that I am talking about are reading lights, tray tables, coffee makers, nav lights etc etc. You surely must agree that these are very simple items to remedy. These are items that we see placarded time and time again. I have to say that I would be laughed at if I asked for a placard for a burnt out reading light or coffee maker bulb.

 

[James T. Kirk]

We certainly would not get a CR-1 for causing a delay, unless you really F****d up! I think any half decent AMT should know how far they can push a limit on fixing or deferring something. The sort of deferrals that I am talking about are reading lights, tray tables, coffee makers, nav lights etc etc. You surely must agree that these are very simple items to remedy. These are items that we see placarded time and time again. I have to say that I would be laughed at if I asked for a placard for a burnt out reading light or coffee maker bulb.

Well Rusty Bullethole let me see if I understand you correctly. You are actually suggesting that the line mechanics should put down their Game Boy, or turn off the TV, or forbid to suggest wakeup someone they might be frightened so bad that they could fall off their bed and need to go on I D. Well I see we are going to need some work rule changes to get that accomplished. After all you ARE ASKING A LOT OF THEM.

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

Amen to James T Kirk!

 

[Buck]

I have no experience with what goes on at the line stations. However I can assure you that these conditions the line mechanics are accused of are have some commonality in TUL on Heavy Maintenance Visits. Do not assume that it is only the line that may or may not practice these things.

That part I do not understand is when those from Local 514 speak of unionism, they forget that the line is part of their union. All I hear from the TWU supporters is brother we saved jobs. The cost of that job is not an issue to these TWU Local 514 members.

 

[James T. Kirk]

I have no experience with what goes on at the line stations. However I can assure you that these conditions the line mechanics are accused of are have some commonality in TUL on Heavy Maintenance Visits. Do not assume that it is only the line that may or may not practice these things.

That part I do not understand is when those from Local 514 speak of unionism, they forget that the line is part of their union. All I hear from the TWU supporters is brother we saved jobs. The cost of that job is not an issue to these TWU Local 514 members.

Sorry Buck but you wouldn't know unionism if it walked up and kicked you reght square in the butt.

 

[Decision 2004]

Sorry Buck but you wouldn't know unionism if it walked up and kicked you reght square in the butt.

We know all to well about TWU UNIONISM now don't we? I hear kicking in the butt was part of the action at Local 514.

 

[Hackman]

Well Rusty Bullethole let me see if I understand you correctly. You are actually suggesting that the line mechanics should put down their Game Boy, or turn off the TV, or forbid to suggest wakeup someone they might be frightened so bad that they could fall off their bed and need to go on I D. Well I see we are going to need some work rule changes to get that accomplished. After all you ARE ASKING A LOT OF THEM.

I see its overhaul (Tulsa) against the line again. Maybe you could put away your dominos or your crossword and tell us why overhaul is so much more dedicated to bustin' ass than those worthless bastards on the line, kirk.

I have worked both, and they both have downtime. Only at most line stations, your working holidays, mids, and weekends outdoors in a high cost city. I think every twu supportin' okie should get a chance to tell us how good it is to work the line.

The first holiday you pusses are forced to work and you'd be cryin' in your Copenhagen. :angry:



THE twu IS OUT THE DOOR IN 04!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

We certainly would not get a CR-1 for causing a delay, unless you really F****d up! I think any half decent AMT should know how far they can push a limit on fixing or deferring something. The sort of deferrals that I am talking about are reading lights, tray tables, coffee makers, nav lights etc etc. You surely must agree that these are very simple items to remedy. These are items that we see placarded time and time again. I have to say that I would be laughed at if I asked for a placard for a burnt out reading light or coffee maker bulb.

Maybe thats how things are at your station but a short time ago two of our mechanics were given CR-1 entrys for not having a map of the airport on them while taxiing. This is absurd as our whole trip consist of "OK AA XYZ Maintenance taxi Romeo left Alpha to the gate" or "Romeo right Bravo to the gate" or sometimes simply "taxi as requested at your discretion".

Six other mechanics were recently given CR-1s for a delay that occurred around a shift change.

As far as coffee makers and reading lights its probably more a question of access and parts. I agree items like that are easier to fix than filling out all that paper work.

Who would laugh at you if you asked for a placard? Dont you call them in yourself? Maybe thats the difference, we call them in right from the Jetbridge.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

We certainly would not get a CR-1 for causing a delay, unless you really F****d up! I think any half decent AMT should know how far they can push a limit on fixing or deferring something. The sort of deferrals that I am talking about are reading lights, tray tables, coffee makers, nav lights etc etc. You surely must agree that these are very simple items to remedy. These are items that we see placarded time and time again. I have to say that I would be laughed at if I asked for a placard for a burnt out reading light or coffee maker bulb.

rb, you certainly do not work the line. And I would guess that you do not work overhaul either. Posting from a union keyboard is easy and carries no credit hiding behind an alias.

There is no AMT that will "really F++++d up" a repair on a turn. If an AMT tries to relamp a nav. light on a 777, 767 or 757 he needs to get a lift truck, notify the crew to turn of the nav. light and NOT turn it on till instructed to, then sign the log book. If the relamping works fine and there are no other items in the log book this might work. But if the relamp does not fix the item then time is needed to get the authorization number for the MEL from Tech. This takes time. Now do this in all the elements Mother Nature has to offer with passengers boarding, etc. and you get the idea. The same goes for tray tables, c/ms, & reading lights. Are we going to hold up boarding because of these issues? How about the cheap, pieces of crap Icarro seats AA has. These things break all the time. The Line AMT is in the front line of maintenance and we battle the clock as much as we do management. Don't forget the FAA looking over our shoulders to make sure we have the correct MM paper work.
Don't worry about being laughed at for asking for an MEL for a burned out light bulb. You got laughed at just for your posting above.