Profit Sharing for Fleet Service

[pjirish317]

OK, let me preface this with that this is not meant to arise anger in anybody, or cause a rift between East and West. I want to get opinions on Profit Sharing. Why, if the West employees are not covered by the East's CBA, then why are they getting part of the East's profit sharing. I believe that their CBA does not have profit sharing language in it, so please correct me if I am wrong. I do not understand this. If the West can't even run or vote for local offices within the I'll Ask Management then why are they entitled to part of the East's CBA, the Part about Profit Sharing? That is the only part that the I'll Ask Management saw fit to let the West have. IMO if the West can't run for office or vote for officers then they should not be eligable for Profit Sharing as stated in the East's CBA as they are not covered by the East's CBA. JMHO.

 

[700UW]

I believe the District made the choice to include them, just like the pilots, fas and mechanic and related did.

 

[pjirish317]

I believe the District made the choice to include them, just like the pilots, fas and mechanic and related did.

700UW,
Then why didn't the district see fit to include then in local and district elections? If that was the only thing that the "District" included them in on. No offense to the West but you can't have one and not the other. IMO

 

[bagchucker]

OK, let me preface this with that this is not meant to arise anger in anybody, or cause a rift between East and West. I want to get opinions on Profit Sharing. Why, if the West employees are not covered by the East's CBA, then why are they getting part of the East's profit sharing. I believe that their CBA does not have profit sharing language in it, so please correct me if I am wrong. I do not understand this. If the West can't even run or vote for local offices within the I'll Ask Management then why are they entitled to part of the East's CBA, the Part about Profit Sharing? That is the only part that the I'll Ask Management saw fit to let the West have. IMO if the West can't run for office or vote for officers then they should not be eligable for Profit Sharing as stated in the East's CBA as they are not covered by the East's CBA. JMHO.

Ok...let me preface this question then... Why the hell does the West pay Union dues to the I'll Ask Management? They don't do jack squat for us and the small token of getting a small piece of profit sharing is our concession from them to give us back our union dues that they collect from us.

 

[pjirish317]

Ok...let me preface this question then... Why the hell does the West pay Union dues to the I'll Ask Management? They don't do jack squat for us and the small token of getting a small piece of profit sharing is our concession from them to give us back our union dues that they collect from us.

bagchucker,
The question was aimed at some of the I'll Ask Management to say why that is all you guys out West got. I mean you can't even vote in your local elections. Probably can't vote for District officers either. My point I think is why are we still seperate. If the I'll Ask Management sees fit to include you in part of our CBA, then why not fold you into it completely so you actually have a say in the offcers, local and district.

 

[bagchucker]

bagchucker,
The question was aimed at some of the I'll Ask Management to say why that is all you guys out West got. I mean you can't even vote in your local elections. Probably can't vote for District officers either. My point I think is why are we still seperate. If the I'll Ask Management sees fit to include you in part of our CBA, then why not fold you into it completely so you actually have a say in the offcers, local and district.

You pose a great question there PJ... one that only IAM can answer. As we know they don't answer valid questions on this forum or any other way for that matter.

Without trying to stimulate the East vs. West mentality too much, I guess I am just trying to pass along a sense of understanding to the mighty East folk that we here on the West are paying Union dues to a Union who neglects us and has done absolutely nothing for us in 2 years with the exception of giving us a small chunk of last years profit sharing. Trust me, we want unity, equal pay, and everything else that brings us in-line with you all. Reality prevents that because of an ignorant company and a union that is in bed with them. They are content with separation and endorse it, because they know that if we were unified, we would actually be a work group that they would fear.

 

[pjirish317]

Very well said bagchucker. Maybee Goldenram(rod)94 can answer seeing how he is/was on the NC. Or maybee 700uw with his infinite wisdom and knowaldge about the I'll Ask Management. Why hasn't the I'll Ask Management folded the West into our CBA? I do not think this question will get an answer though. They both seem to want us seperate. You hit the nail on the head there.

 

[bagchucker]

One thing that is really frustrating is that the few grievances that we file seem to get lost. There is no final ruling on them. They get shuffled into the mix and swept under a rug somewhere. No local leadership, its really like having no union at all. Anyway, I don't want to get off topic so, hopefully others can add to your thread and post some answers.

 

[Black Magic]

Here's a question I would like to know. Before the merger with AWA when was the last time US Airways paid out profit sharing??

 

[pjirish317]

Here's a question I would like to know. Before the merger with AWA when was the last time US Airways paid out profit sharing??

Not to start a pis**ng match with you Black Magic, but the West's CBA does not have a Profit Sharing Atricle in it, does it? So since you posed the ??, here is your answer. I do not know when the last time US paid out profit sharing to it's frontline employees pre-merger. Also US was just out of it's second BK just prior to the merger. When was the last time HP, prior to the merger, awarded profit sharing? Together we made the profits, not seperate. The west is getting a piece of the pie without being a part of the CBA that has the language in it. I just wanted to know why that is.

 

[Black Magic]

No no just stick to my original question. Not trying to start a war either. Just in what year did US Airways last payout profit sharing anyone?

 

[pjirish317]

I am not sure. How about HP, when was the last time HP awarded profit sharing pre-merger. Maybee 700uw can tell us. Hey 700uw, when if any at all, was the last time US, pre-merger awarded profit sharing? Do you know?

 

[bagchucker]

I am not sure. How about HP, when was the last time HP awarded profit sharing pre-merger. Maybee 700uw can tell us. Hey 700uw, when if any at all, was the last time US, pre-merger awarded profit sharing? Do you know?

The last time any West Fleet employees were given any type of profit sharing was circa '97-'98 before we unionized. HP had AWArd pay. As soon as we voted TWU in to represent us, the company stopped including us in AWArd pay.

 

[gaucho99]

I am not sure. How about HP, when was the last time HP awarded profit sharing pre-merger. Maybee 700uw can tell us. Hey 700uw, when if any at all, was the last time US, pre-merger awarded profit sharing? Do you know?

If I remember correctly, the last profit sharing check was about 2 years prior to the merger. At that time, they did away with profit sharing in favor of an annual pay raise that equaled the average profit sharing payouts over the past several years. At least that's how it was done in my area, I'm not sure if fleet employees were involved or not.

 

[700UW]

1994 and 1995 after the 92/93 concessions.

We got 100% back of our concessions each year, plus stock.