sky high states: Wondering if the F/A's who "whored" the (Cash Cow) Visa Cards got more profit sharing because they made all that extra money? anyone?
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profit sharing checks in the bank!
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sky high states: Wondering if the F/A's who "whored" the (Cash Cow) Visa Cards got more profit sharing because they made all that extra money? anyone?
only stating opinions
How can you tell they forgot to add the MidAtlantic w-2?
Mine came to 401.02 before the taxes and 401k deductions. Ended up with 234 and change.
28yrsnojob
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:down: you would think they would spend it on ground equipment in the class 2 cities,the equipment is falling apart .
TheLazarusman
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All I've heard recently from my "brothers" in fleet service on the west side is their whining and crying about how little THEIR profit sharing amounts were going to be. It was especially heard today once they had the checks in their hands. My dear west brothers seem to fail to realize that they weren't entitled to anything at all. If anything, they're only entitled to a portion of what they helped contribute to the success of the company since they started paying I.A.M. dues. Those profits that my brethren are so ungratefully sharing in came off the backs of those of us on the east side who have lived through paycuts, loss of holidays, loss of sick pay, increased insurance costs, etc... and are continuing to do so. I think my west brothers and sisters will find most of those things are still available to them under their contract. I'm tired of listening to the "poor me's" from the babies in fleet service on the west side who at their most senior in my station have about seven years with the company. But then again, it's no surprise they act like babies. Most of my eastern brothers and I had five to ten years with the company before our western brothers were out of diapers. Be happy for what you've got guys. We haven't seen anything like this in a long, long time. And act your age; my western friends. Many of you have children of your own; and you wouldn't let them conduct themselves at home the way you do at work.
Laz
Because I made $12,000 dollars more in 2006 than a friend of mine and my profit sharing was $15 DOLLARS more than theirs. SO, I am pretty sure they forgot to pay me for the Midatlantic time.
you are entitled to your opinion, but the iam leadership decided to include the western brothers in your cut, blame them, not the westies. the westies are doing the same job as you and are making less, even w/o the bk's, that is what the westies here...poor us.. we had to... you have not been through.... it sounds like you are whining about it as much as you claim the westies are. again, no one in the west wanted the merger except doogie and crew, we were happy to keep going alone. we were thrust into this as you were. don't criticize the west for wanting what they feel they deserve after having to be put into this merger. all of the west cba's have been out(cept the pilots) for years, doogie new a merger was coming down long before the official news broke and i believe that is what your last bk was for. blame him for all of this and not your western brothers and sisters. they will gladly give up holidays, vac and sick for a big raise that they deserve
TheLazarusman
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My dearest 700AW, no, I am not whining also. I'm also not saying the west fleet service gang doesn't deserve something for their contribution to the success of this company. What I'm saying is I'm tired of hearing them complain about how miniscule their share was when we all should be happy we received anything at all.
What I am whining about, and will continue to do so is the attitude of SOME of my west brothers here in DFW. I'm the station training coordinator, and the ramp safety coordinator (as well as the tech. pub. rev's. coordinator, employee assistance program coordinator, and a fleet service lead) here in DFW. I've hold training classes with all the east and west employees below the wing. MUCH of what I've instructed them on goes in one ear and out the other. They continue to be slack in issues that in many cases could directly affect their, or one of their brothers, safety. They laugh at myself, shop stewards, and management when we remind them of the proper way to do things. Equipment is also being damaged in ways that could only be the result of vandalism; ie, metal f.o.d. found in the gas tanks of belt loaders and tugs, positive battery cable leads bent and snapped off of batteries, windshields busted, windshield wipers torn off, brand new day/night wands are being run over and ruined, cones are mysteriously walking off the gates never to be seen again, pushback headset extension chords are being run over, and headsets are being sabotoged too.
So, yes, in a sense I am whining. I get along fantastically with the majority of my western brothers, but the stubborn, and the greenhorn newbies are leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Laz
Laz, i share your frustrations, many places east( i will say not near as many as west) west have slackers, what does the company expect to get when it starts at 7.50 an hour?? here there are burger places starting at 9.50 to 10.00 an hour. the company just wants to fill a hole and not pay, i am sure they would jump on the chance to bring in DAL if they could. Alaska even farmed out there biggest hub in seattle a few years ago.... and i would even say the slackers don't deserve any profit sharing or any job for that matter
safety stud
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Profit sharing needs to be equalized. Yes I got my check, and I am thankful. However, and this is just my opinion, fairness in the amount didn't occur. Let me explain...
To utilize the method of W2's only promotes the idea that if you work more you should get more. There is alot to be said of that. But, true fairness, means that each base has an equal playing field. That doesn't occur here. PHL an CLT which cover most if not all the international flying have an unfair advantage to all the other bases. Some bases such as LGA, DCA, BOS and PIT, which are much smaller and less utilized by the company: ie - less block time per month, less reserve utilization, have many F/A's that don't get time in. Now, having said that, I spoke to a PHL F/A a few months back who only flew international, backed up her trips, and utilized the ETB. Here average month was around 135 -140 hours. This without vacation. Heaven forbid fly-back occurs.
Granted, If I wanted to fly international, I could transfer to another base. And yes, If I was grandfathered into the 105 option I could more. But you see I am doing the same job as everyone else. I share an equal piece of the pie that made this airline profitable. I shouldn't have to transfer or go on an option to make me fly more. Equality in the workplace means that everyone has the same advantages.
Just my oponion...
To utilize the method of W2's only promotes the idea that if you work more you should get more. There is alot to be said of that. But, true fairness, means that each base has an equal playing field. That doesn't occur here. PHL an CLT which cover most if not all the international flying have an unfair advantage to all the other bases. Some bases such as LGA, DCA, BOS and PIT, which are much smaller and less utilized by the company: ie - less block time per month, less reserve utilization, have many F/A's that don't get time in. Now, having said that, I spoke to a PHL F/A a few months back who only flew international, backed up her trips, and utilized the ETB. Here average month was around 135 -140 hours. This without vacation. Heaven forbid fly-back occurs.
Granted, If I wanted to fly international, I could transfer to another base. And yes, If I was grandfathered into the 105 option I could more. But you see I am doing the same job as everyone else. I share an equal piece of the pie that made this airline profitable. I shouldn't have to transfer or go on an option to make me fly more. Equality in the workplace means that everyone has the same advantages.
Just my oponion...
PITbull
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You make a very good point and very good argument. With respect to just transfering in a base to fly International, you can only transfer if there are openings along with having the seniority to hold certain trips. So for many, that just doesn't and won't occur.
From the explanation given to me...the issue of profit sharing distribution was discussed on a conference call last January 2006, and IMO, there was just not enough discussion on all the scenerios so that it would be more fair. And with the issue of sharing the profit pie with the WEST that the MEC included in that vote using every excuse under the sun to justify such and action...don't even get me started again
....Found out today that they did not give the profit sharing to the f/a's that are on property that worked at MAA in 2006. They also did not give it to those that are on OJI and worked in 2006. This is something that they are trying to deal with now..and hopefully cut us a check next week. I guess we will have to see about that, it could be awhile. :down: They would not say what happened or how this could have happened..but they are aware of it and are addressing it. B) hmmmmm.
PITbull
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That just gives validation to the point that the MEC did not take enough time to consider the different, probable scenerios and road blocks before voting fairly on the issue of "profit sharing distribution".
I do know that when they decided to distribute the profit sharing according to one's W-2 it included all earned income, including ETB.
As evident by the smaller bases, ETB is just not available for many f/as to have the potential to increase their W-2 earnings, thus, the unfair disadvantage to participate equitably in the profit sharing. Many of the rsvs in bases that have a f/a overage, don't receive pay above guarantee (73 hours). The MECP should have had the foresight and forethought to discuss with the MEC the pros and cons of such distribution before they voted.
When there was stock distribution given in concession #1, the stock shares were divided evenly among the active f/as.
