Priority 1 rid ourselves of the TWU

[1AA]

I will say this again. Unless we are on the same page we are in danger of having no union representation. For the ones that are not familiar with the voting process here is what can happen. Who ever files will be on the ballot including the twu. There will be four choices on the ballot. Let's say the teamsters files for argument sake. The ballot will have the twu, the teamsters, NO union and a fill in choice. If there is no clear majority this shows NO interest in the eyes of the NMB and we lose union representation. I know that if a vote is called we will be divided. You will have guys chose twu and Ibt and AMFA on the fill in and some will chose no union because they are fed up with unions altogether. We need to be unified and focus on removing the twu and choosing one union. That union is AMFA. IBT is worse than the twu. WE NEED TO BE BETTER ORGANIZED BEFORE WE FILE FOR NEW REPRESENTATION.

 

[proAMT]

A little more info from the faq's at the NMB (National Mediation Board).
There must be a majority of votes cast for no representation in order to lose representation.
This is a new rule.



8. Q: Can an employee in the craft or class sign an authorization card for more than one organization?

A: Yes.​

9. Q: What is an Intervenor?

A: Once an organization has filed an application, another organization may intervene in the representation dispute and place itself on the ballot by presenting authorization cards signed by at least 35% of the employees in the craft or class.​

10. Q: How can employees change their labor organization?

A: Employees can change their labor organization by signing authorization cards for another organization, which then files an application and "wins" an election.​

11. Q: How can employees decertify their current representative without getting another one?

A: A majority of valid votes must be cast for no representation.​

12. Q: Can employees form and elect their own union?

A: Yes, employees can form their own organization if they submit an application supported by a sufficient showing of interest.​

 

[unionguy1]

If the TWU is voted out. Would the TWU International and elected officials be ousted immediately or would they still serve until AMFA or the IBT set up shop and how long would it take for either union to come in and hold elections to establish locals and boards?

My vote is for AMFA. A change is definitely needed.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

If the TWU is voted out. Would the TWU International and elected officials be ousted immediately or would they still serve until AMFA or the IBT set up shop and how long would it take for either union to come in and hold elections to establish locals and boards?

My vote is for AMFA. A change is definitely needed.

I talked with an IBT Local pres on Wed. if the teamsters get in we would be lumped in with the other IBT represented members at what ever local is in the city or the closet region. They would have an atd rep in place and all that we would have to do is elect shop stewards and lower level reps. We will not have control or a seperate local.

If dues were needed at another local such as with LAX and SFO if your station is big enough you could be working side by side with a memeber from a different local. You can attend local meeting but can only vote on issues at your assigned local.

Just another tidbit, if the IBT gets in and you retire after they have been in power for 5 yrs and you have been in the IBT pension. YOU CAN'T GET AN OUTSIDE JOB IN THE SAME FIELD AND COLLECT AN IBT PENSION, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A JOB IN ANOTHER FIELD. The IBT pension would stop.

Any work group as well has to partician to be accepted into the regional pension and could be turned down if memebers are at certain age (this means old) close to retirement. Since we would not be adding $$$ to fund long enough. AA has already said they would not fund a pension for us so it really is a mute point to go with the IBT.

Another tidbit the IBT also has a seperate health and welfare plan

 

[unionguy1]

I talked with an IBT Local pres on Wed. if the teamsters get in we would be lumped in with the other IBT represented members at what ever local is in the city or the closet region. They would have an atd rep in place and all that we would have to do is elect shop stewards and lower level reps. We will not have control or a seperate local.

If dues were needed at another local such as with LAX and SFO if your station is big enough you could be working side by side with a memeber from a different local. You can attend local meeting but can only vote on issues at your assigned local.

Just another tidbit, if the IBT gets in and you retire after they have been in power for 5 yrs and you have been in the IBT pension. YOU CAN'T GET AN OUTSIDE JOB IN THE SAME FIELD AND COLLECT AN IBT PENSION, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A JOB IN ANOTHER FIELD. The IBT pension would stop.

Any work group as well has to partician to be accepted into the regional pension and could be turned down if memebers are at certain age (this means old) close to retirement. Since we would not be adding $$$ to fund long enough. AA has already said they would not fund a pension for us so it really is a mute point to go with the IBT.

Another tidbit the IBT also has a seperate health and welfare plan

Thanks for the info.

 

[High Speed Steel]

At this point I believe beyond a shadow of doubt that it is in the best interests of the Mechanics and Related class and craft to RID OURSELVES OF THE TWU.

The question is whether to support the Teamsters or to support AMFA.

Teamsters claim they can reopen the contract. Teamsters claim they will not attempt to represent other work groups. I personally believe these promises are pie in the sky....however,

I believe our first priority should be to remove the TWU.

Some claim that the Teamsters running right now is an attempt to keep AMFA out and to keep the TWU in. The Teamsters, of course, deny this.

Are the Teamsters sincere? I can't say for sure. But what I do know is that the timing of the Teamsters and AMFA's drive can and very well will keep us from having an election to remove the TWU.


THE TWU MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!

To this end I believe it is important to fill out both Teamster and AMFA cards.

We'll gladly sort it out in May or June of next year at the election but in keeping our eye on the ball (ridding ourselves of the TWU) at least one of these unions must achieve the required 50%+1.

The consequences of just filling out Teamsters cards.

1) The Teamsters might not achieve the amount of cards required for an election while at the same time keeping AMFA from collecting enough support to file.

2) The Teamsters might achieve the amount and claim they haven't. Insuring continued TWU representation.

The consequences of just filling out AMFA cards.

1) A 50%+1 consensus might never be reached as Teamster support has interfered with efforts to collect enough AMFA cards for an election. It is difficult under normal circumstances to achieve such a high number of signed cards in a workforce as diverse and spread out geographically as ours but with another union card drive going on it is even more difficult.

I know I am about to receive much condemnation for this point of view but I believe it is our best option as far as insuring that we are NEVER REPRESENTED BY THE TWU AGAIN!!!!

I urge you to fill them both out! Don't play into more divide and conquer.

Our best option is for the Teamster and AMFA forces to unite against the TWU if we truly want to rid ourselves of this company union.

How about you try this. I think you're a smart guy. Why don't you try and get involved with the TWU instead of going again the path you once ventured that made you ineligible to be involed while you were staffed in Tulsa. You have transferred to a smaller staffed station and someone of your caliber could be benificial to the members there. What, is there only 20 AMT's in SEA? I think you could succeed if you would only give it a try, but its up to you....

 

[TWU informer]

How about you try this. I think you're a smart guy. Why don't you try and get involved with the TWU instead of going again the path you once ventured that made you ineligible to be involed while you were staffed in Tulsa. You have transferred to a smaller staffed station and someone of your caliber could be benificial to the members there. What, is there only 20 AMT's in SEA? I think you could succeed if you would only give it a try, but its up to you....

I will personally make the same offer to you win AMFA wins representation. "Bad Standing" in the TWU is badge of honor.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I will personally make the same offer to you win AMFA wins representation. "Bad Standing" in the TWU is badge of honor.

How many times have you donned your badge of honor Informer? Should qualify for "Riply's believe it or Not" record books...

 

[TWU informer]

How many times have you donned your badge of honor Informer? Should qualify for "Riply's believe it or Not" record books...

I will gladly ask you face to face to sign a card and you can give me a current badge.
Mine is expired.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I will gladly ask you face to face to sign a card and you can give me a current badge.
Mine is expired.

I doubt that day will ever come where we come face to face with your agenda. Besides, you seem conserned that I'm reaching out to one of your AMFA allies. Sorry to offend you, but there is a distinctive difference between you and proAMT. I remember when we showed him the evidence we had against him in Tulsa that he was crushed by what he saw and he knew what it meant for him. I did feel for him at the time because I thought he was then, as I do now, a genuine heartfelt individual who wanted to make a difference. I think he has a new chance to be involved in the TWU and encourage him to take advantage of it...

 

[TWU informer]

I doubt that day will ever come where we come face to face with your agenda. Besides, you seem conserned that I'm reaching out to one of your AMFA allies. Sorry to offend you, but there is a distinctive difference between you and proAMT. I remember when we showed him the evidence we had against him in Tulsa that he was crushed by what he saw and he knew what it meant for him. I did feel for him at the time because I thought he was then, as I do now, a genuine heartfelt individual who wanted to make a difference. I think he has a new chance to be involved in the TWU and encourage him to take advantage of it...

Really? I have the transcript in my toolbox right now.

He cut up his Union Card and FIRED the TWU.

I will have to scan it and once again prove you a liar.

Why do you insist on telling lies that can easily be verified and proven?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Really? I have the transcript in my toolbox right now.

He cut up his Union Card and FIRED the TWU.

I will have to scan it and once again prove you a liar.

Why do you insist on telling lies than can easily be verified?

He cannot simply fire the TWU, he still must maintain committments or he wouldn't be staffed in SEA...

 

[TWU informer]

He cannot simply fire the TWU, he still must maintain committments or he wouldn't be staffed in SEA...

He did.

 

[High Speed Steel]

He did.

That's bullshet and you know it....lol

 

[TWU informer]

That's bullshet and you know it....lol

Ask him yourself then.
And meanwhile I will get the transcript ready to show what a liar you are.