Pit Papers View On Today's Court Action
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PitBull, can I ask? Your disclaimer says you are not a USAirways employee. Do you work for the union? What do you do? I'm just curious.UseYourHead
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I have a feeling you are going to be disappointed in the end, the judge is not you friend, and the AFA does not have the agreement that cuts costs in other areas, thus, the need for emergency relief.
We shall see next week, good luck, you´ll need it....
BTW, the legal debrief I heard told a different story than the one you generoulsy offer up here.
We shall see next week, good luck, you´ll need it....
BTW, the legal debrief I heard told a different story than the one you generoulsy offer up here.
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UYH,
The judge has no choice but to impose cuts, however, I do not believe it will be even close to 23% for all of labor.
As far as ALPA legal or the two pilots you had at the hearing, i'm sure they gave their spin on AlPA having a stellar argument and that labor won't make a dent.
What do you expect them to tell you, uh, oops we screwed up and shouldn't have advised ALPA to come to a T/A...
I'm sure AlPA attorneys are hoping the judge imposes the strictest and most severe wage cut ever in history on labor....after all, they told your group that he would 100%. You know, the old... "I told'ya so", routine....
The judge has no choice but to impose cuts, however, I do not believe it will be even close to 23% for all of labor.
As far as ALPA legal or the two pilots you had at the hearing, i'm sure they gave their spin on AlPA having a stellar argument and that labor won't make a dent.
What do you expect them to tell you, uh, oops we screwed up and shouldn't have advised ALPA to come to a T/A...
I'm sure AlPA attorneys are hoping the judge imposes the strictest and most severe wage cut ever in history on labor....after all, they told your group that he would 100%.
You know, the old... "I told'ya so", routine....USA320Pilot
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I do not believe Judge Mitchell wants to impose cuts. Who would? If US Airways can successfully argue the cuts are required to save the company (especially with today’s energy prices), are market based, and necessary because the investment bankers and ATSB require the changes, then Mitchell will order the cuts.
ALPA’s pay, benefits, and retirement is better than JetBlue and AirTran. How can a judge argue that US Airways employees higher than these companies who are profitable, and the Arlington-based airline is not?
Is the company over reaching? Maybe, but when have they not? Every company attempts to get as much as possible and labor attempts to get the best deal possible. Except this time for the pilots lead by the RC4. The company's ask was for $295 million and the RC4 negotiated a $370 million average annual cut, according to ALPA E&FA.
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USA320Pilot
ALPA’s pay, benefits, and retirement is better than JetBlue and AirTran. How can a judge argue that US Airways employees higher than these companies who are profitable, and the Arlington-based airline is not?
Is the company over reaching? Maybe, but when have they not? Every company attempts to get as much as possible and labor attempts to get the best deal possible. Except this time for the pilots lead by the RC4. The company's ask was for $295 million and the RC4 negotiated a $370 million average annual cut, according to ALPA E&FA.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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All I know is you are the most over reaching poster on this board and you don't even have a clue. All you think about is yourself and forcing your two bit opinions on everyone.
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BoeingBoy said:
The problem here is that to make a fair comparison, you have to weight where the majority of people are on their respective seniority scales.
The LCC's have a fairly even distribution of junior and senior people (except Jetblue, where pretty much everyone has less than five years), so you can use an average.
After all the layoffs at US, the seniority distribution at the mainline isn't exactly junior. I'd be willing to be that the number of people left who aren't already at TOS is probably less than 20%.
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As for the delay in ruling, I'm not surprised that the Judge continued the hearing until Tuesday, and took the weekend to consider what's transpired so far. It wouldn't surprise me to see another continuance this week.
Like it or not, this is a historic ruling -- this is the first time a S1113 proceeding has gone this far with an airline, and regardless of the outcome, it will be used to show precedence in future bankruptcy hearings.
Knowing his ruling will be a case study at both law and business schools for decades to come, the last thing he wants to do is rush into a decision. And rightly so.
