Pilots Union Puts Arpey on Notice

[flyhigh]

beauty,

AA is still the largest carrier. The industry metric is ASMs which AA still leads. WN carries the most traffic.

Bob,

AA wins some business because while they charge slightly more, they tend to have shorter timelines.

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

beauty,

AA is still the largest carrier. The industry metric is ASMs which AA still leads. WN carries the most traffic.

Bob,

AA wins some business because while they charge slightly more, they tend to have shorter timelines.

That is correct, depends on how you measure it, just crazy that the carrier that has the most ASMs doesn't carry the most traffic, should be a no-brainer huh? Definitely not something to brag about.

 

[Bob Owens]

Not really. Swa will take one plane with two pilots and three Flight Attendants, pick up 150 people, fly them two hundred miles, and repeat that 5 times with the same plane and crew, moving a total of 750 people 200 miles each for an average fare of $100, AA will take one plane, four pilots and 14 flight attendants pick up 250 people and fly them 12000 miles for an avergae fare of $750. Both airlines have have one plane, one moved 750 people the other only 250, one generated $75,000 and the other $187,500. You are using the number of people moved as the basis to claim that SWA is bigger but the SWA plane only generated 150,000 rpms for the day while the AA plane generated 3,000,000 RPMs. SWA generated $75,000 in revenue vs $187,000 for AA. So yea SWA moved more people but AA generated more RPMs, employed more people and generated more revenue. Its like saying that a ferry is bigger than an ocean liner because it moves a lot of people a short distance for less money instead of fewer people longer distances for more money. Guess it comes down to how you define big, using your standards,your husband has it easy.

 

[AAStew]

Beauty, I am also perplexed, why are you on here so much? I imagine you like controversy and encourage it, possibly because you want to see everyone in the same or worse predicament that you are in? Hypothetically of course.... Hopefully, we won't get into the same mess as UA but if we do, why would you take pleasure in this? I don't want an answer, just question yourself. Perhaps you should change your name to MiseryLuvsCompany.

 

[FA Mikey]

Oh, my poor little StrAAight... Seems as if your facts have gotten all twisted and tattered again. Perhaps you could tell me what the last employee newsletter from Glenn Tilton was titled??? I am sure this won't be a problem for you since you know all too much about the daily business of UA. Furthermore - go and read it. Your information is based on fear and emotion, most all of your posts are... Like I said, I am not a UA cheerleader so you don't have to rant and rave about it to me, b/c I just say it like it is... 6 billion in the bank doesn't mean crap if your debt is over 17billion and your not making any money due to paying workers more money. Step back from the AA juice and look at the big picture... Does it look fuzzy? mmmmhhhuummmm.... I will wait for our pieces to be sold off... Don't think it will happen..... you will be waiting and salivating for a long time StrAAight

I am sure you hear this often, check your facts and get back to us. Better yet, just check your facts. So when did Glen Tilton become the guy who wants to run an airline, VS trying to merge or sell off the carrier he is at? Raising the ceiling so LH could buy it didn't work, pushing constantly for consolidation hasn't worked. Now he and the board are looking to sell large pieces of the carrier. I am not sure what la la land you come from. But here in the real world, you don't sell part's of your business, in order to raise cash to buy someone else's. You do that to raise cash and offer a large dividend to share holders, as you are dismantling the company.

 

[AMFAMAN]

The pilots should get a 35 % raise along with improved work rules. One place AA can get the money is by cutting the other union people at AA by 35%. AA can not fly without the pilots. They have to be at the controls, but it does not need the other 2 big work groups to keep it in the air.

Better yet, we can layoff off all the pilots and set up an area at the airport for them to hang out and hire them as day-workers for a flat rate for each flight.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Better yet, we can layoff off all the pilots and set up an area at the airport for them to hang out and hire them as day-workers for a flat rate for each flight.

Hey! You might be on to something there! :unsure:

 

[ILS2MINIMUMS]

APA INFORMATION HOTLINE



This is APA Communications Committee member First Officer Cyndi Dawson with the APA Information Hotline for Friday, October 12.



APA NATIONAL OFFICERS’ LETTER TO AMR CEO HIGHLIGHTED IN MEDIA: In a surprise development this week, a letter sent more than three weeks ago from the three APA National Officers to AMR CEO Gerard Arpey was picked up and widely publicized by the national media. The letter, signed by APA President Captain Lloyd Hill, Vice President Captain Tom Westbrook and Secretary-Treasurer Captain Bill Haug, was intended as a stern private correspondence to raise CEO Arpey’s awareness of serious pilot concerns and the continued deterioration of relations between AMR managers and APA. No formal response to the correspondence has been received by APA.



The letter was not made public so AMR managers would not dismiss its serious content and harsh criticism as grandstanding by the union. Yet once publicized in the media, AMR management quickly responded as we predicted, with the disappointing position that the letter was “heated rhetoric†associated with contract negotiations.



The specifics of the letter make clear to CEO Arpey, APA’s intention to withdraw from all Joint Leadership Team functions with AMR managers. The letter states, “In our view, the JLT has been a cruel hoax perpetrated upon AA employees… You promised that if we would 'pull together,' we would 'win together.' Yet despite our sacrifices and hard work to provide ideas through forums such as JLT, AA continues to deprive pilots… In our view, JLT has become a classic 'union busting' exercise, devoid of rewards for our members and lacking the basic respect and courtesy expected in a cooperative professional relationship.â€



The letter also cites our continued frustration with the unilaterally imposed changes to the pilot sick program that are having dangerous consequences and management’s general unresponsiveness to pilot concerns. The correspondence ends with the following admonishment: “Enjoy your blood money and your union-busting meetings. We’ll see you in court, in the newspapers and on the picket line.â€



It is unfortunate that even private attempts to wake this senior management team up to the fact that they destroyed the employee/management relationship have failed. While not intended to be publicly disseminated, we have been receiving numerous e-mails, Soundoffs and C&R traffic in support of the letter. Consider passing that sentiment and enthusiasm on to your friends, families, fellow crewmembers and even your chief pilots. Pass on the word that we take these issues and these negotiations very seriously even if management doesn’t.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

AA is the largest carrier out there. Who would they farm out their maintenance and Ramp to?Not only that but where would the cost advantage be? If AA cant get people at the wages they are paying then how could a third party get people, pay them and make a profit for themselves for less? AA is getting work in because outfits like North American cant get mechanics, nobody wants to say anything because they are still trying to lower our expectations and they know that once it becomes common knowledge that mechaincs know the pot is empty we will demand more.

Ignore SWdriver, if the company could have farmed everything out they would have years ago. Lets not forget that for decades AA was the leader in sending work out. They sent out everything they could and a lot of it came back because the vendors could not handle the work and failed to deliver the same quality and timeliness(Boeing is now going through the same thing with their 787) , they only kept what made financial sense and that certainly has not changed because in real terms AAs compensation to individual workers is lower than ever.

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Bob,

As far as AA outsourcing AMT's, I left out an Important "puzzle piece"..........Meaning if you guys were successful to get AMFA in, and the FUUKING TWU.."OUT", then I think AA would consider trying to shrink the AMT's...(hopefully not)

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

I am sure you hear this often, check your facts and get back to us. Better yet, just check your facts. So when did Glen Tilton become the guy who wants to run an airline, VS trying to merge or sell off the carrier he is at? Raising the ceiling so LH could buy it didn't work, pushing constantly for consolidation hasn't worked. Now he and the board are looking to sell large pieces of the carrier. I am not sure what la la land you come from. But here in the real world, you don't sell part's of your business, in order to raise cash to buy someone else's. You do that to raise cash and offer a large dividend to share holders, as you are dismantling the company.

Mikey - This is the facts, CHECK IT... UAL is looking to sell off MP and the Maint. portion.. This will give the company over 10billion - more likely around 12 billion.. This does NOT affect core business. If you would check, you will also notice that as soon as UAL announcedthis, AA shareholders were in a twist that AA isn't doing the same. I come from a world that is looked at from all views, not just the one from DFW - Get your stuff together and then come to me with some dignity MS. Mikey

 

[ILS2MINIMUMS]

you will also notice that as soon as UAL announcedthis, AA shareholders were in a twist that AA isn't doing the same.

Correction: ONE shareholder got their panties in a wad. It was a group of vultures who bought an assbag full of AMR stock when it was in the 30's in hopes of CASHING IN on the most recent round of Merger Mania...

Now those douches have the nerve to come to our board of directors with a straight face and tell them they need to sell off the AAdvantage program... They're trying to do anything to recoup the paper loss of their purchase of our stock.

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

Correction: ONE shareholder got their panties in a wad. It was a group of vultures who bought an assbag full of AMR stock when it was in the 30's in hopes of CASHING IN on the most recent round of Merger Mania...

Now those douches have the nerve to come to our board of directors with a straight face and tell them they need to sell off the AAdvantage program... They're trying to do anything to recoup the paper loss of their purchase of our stock.

Also stated, if AMR didn't take them seriously they would pressure the rest of the shareholders.. AMR stock isn't doing so hot and they want their return.. This is why I say, nothing is impossible, if they want their money they will stop at nothing to get it.. No matter whether you are AMR UAL DAL CAL US or anyone. They want their money... The ONE share holder also happens to be the LARGEST shareholder.

 

[L1011Ret]

the letter is a rant or as AMR put it, "heated rhetoric." It is certainly not putting anyone on notice. More likely management is laughing at the letter and its overly dramatic content designed to induce guilt about the way you are treating us (pilots). Plez get a life APA President.

 

[Winglet]

I don't believe that letter was posturing. It was the real deal. The AA pilots are fed-up. Capt Hill said exactly what he meant, unlike the AA's polished spin-factory playing down the significance of the letter.

 

[L1011Ret]

I don't believe that letter was posturing. It was the real deal. The AA pilots are fed-up. Capt Hill said exactly what he meant, unlike the AA's polished spin-factory playing down the significance of the letter.

More like whining...six month old baby not breast fed enough...