Pilots LOA93 - Your thoughts?

[Furloughedagain]

Just got a copy of LOA93. Copied a few comments from another message-board. What are your thoughts?

* Years 1-7 only accrue 1 week of vacation. (nobody with less than 12 years vacation was on the property as of date-of-signing. Can you say, "I've got mine...")

* A reserve is only out of time if he does 285 hours in a 3 month period?! That's 95/mo average??!!

* 60 hours of regular sick available unless you're on a long-term sick of more than 21 days!?

* VP Flt Ops sets the monthly cap as high as 95 with no restrictions, and can flex it 5 from there. Sure why not? There's only 1700 people on furlough. Fly all you want!

* LTD equals 24 mos if caused by mental illness or disorder or substance abuse. Cost a max of $100 mo. company picks up the rest.

* Reserve(bucket system) will be difficult to say the least if you commute. Only 4 days a mo they cannot touch.

* E period sims for training.

* DH 50% pay no credit

* amenable date 12-31-09

* no night pay

* pay frozen till 12-31-09

* no crew meals domestically

* Medical insurance between age 60-65 is high,nothing about drug coverage that I could see.

 

[jimntx]

* no crew meals domestically

Is this even legal? I thought the FAA had "low blood sugar" concerns about cockpit flying long legs without food.

To an outsider, the rest seems to stink to high heaven. IMHO.

 

[700UW]

Isnt LOA 93 the CBA that was ratified in the last chapter 11?

 

[Jetsetter2Ord]

Is this even legal? I thought the FAA had "low blood sugar" concerns about cockpit flying long legs without food.

To an outsider, the rest seems to stink to high heaven. IMHO.

Heavens a flight deck not getting another crew meal? Oh my! :huh:

Maybe now they have their wife pack them a lunch, so they dont have to treat their flight attendants like a waitress!

Or maybe now they can finally fit thru the flight deck window avoiding the "winnie the pooh" syndrome??

 

[nycbusdriver]

Is this even legal? I thought the FAA had "low blood sugar" concerns about cockpit flying long legs without food.

To an outsider, the rest seems to stink to high heaven. IMHO.

There is no regulatory requirement for the company to provide meals to crews.

Each crewmember is responsible for his/her own nutritional requirements and there are always food outlets available for purchasing such sustenance, albeit of varying nutritional quality. (But the old crew meals were no better, nutritionally speaking.)

When the airline was contractually obligated to provide crew meals, more often than not the caterers conveniently forgot to bring them, or forgot to board them. Crews didn't complain too loudly, though, since when the meals were delivered, they were usually ignored and later discarded. We all knew that the only way to insure that you would get something to eat, and that it would be something you actually WANTED to eat, was to purchase it yourself and bring it along.

And there are always some sort of munchies on board (first class snack basket stuff) if one finds the blood sugar dropping. It's not pretty, but it can certainly get you through to the next destination.

 

[Swaayze]

Y'all are missing the point. It's not about the crew meals exactly. I think many of us didn't realize the scope of the job quality degradation that seems to have come to the U pilots. It seems the ONLY thing calling us back is a slightly larger paycheck. Disappointing at best, but still a decision worth exploring for many of us.

 

[N924PS]

Y'all are missing the point. It's not about the crew meals exactly. I think many of us didn't realize the scope of the job quality degradation that seems to have come to the U pilots. It seems the ONLY thing calling us back is a slightly larger paycheck. Disappointing at best, but still a decision worth exploring for many of us.

Another factor in your decision making should be the lack of any progress in the Joint Contract negotiations.

It's the same old Jerry Glass BS. Throw something across the bargaining table more onerous than what currently exists. An example: Sick Leave. USAirways LOA 93 policy is bad. Current America West not very good either, Company ask: Worse than both existing contracts.

ALPA is beating their chest a bit this time around though. Big informational picketing planned NOV 16. No "liquidation" gun to their heads this time. Just the tacit threat of running as separate airlines until LOA 93 expires (plus the usual foot dragging on the company side).

As I mentioned in another post: Don't hurry back if you have anything remotely better than you can expect to return to at Airways. Different management faces with the same agenda. That is, let low cost workers subsidize poor management as they fill their pockets at your expense.

Sorry I can't be more positive but 1 year after the merger little has changed in reality.

Oh and P.S.to Jetsetter: Lots of the F/A's I've seen at USAirways look they need a can of PAM to spray on the emergency exits so they can squeeze on through. They never met a crew meal or any meal for that matter they didn't like.

 

[Jetsetter2Ord]

Oh and P.S.to Jetsetter: Lots of the F/A's I've seen at USAirways look they need a can of PAM to spray on the emergency exits so they can squeeze on through. They never met a crew meal or any meal for that matter they didn't like.

Yeah I have seen that myself...mostly them on the East side. I refer to them gals as C&D sized..their bottoms hit the C& D seats as they try to waddle up the aisle...guess 40yrs of flying caught up to them eating all that they can from whats on the airplane.

Try having to share a double jumpseat with one, and having one cheek on and one hanging off because they take up theirs and most of my jumpseat!

Oh and P.S.to Jetsetter: Lots of the F/A's I've seen at USAirways look they need a can of PAM to spray on the emergency exits so they can squeeze on through. They never met a crew meal or any meal for that matter they didn't like.

Yeah I have seen that myself...mostly them on the East side. I refer to them gals as C&D sized..their bottoms hit the C& D seats as they try to waddle up the aisle...guess 40yrs of flying caught up to them eating all that they can from whats on the airplane. )

Try having to share a double jumpseat with one, and having one cheek on and one hanging off because they take up theirs and most of my jumpseat!

 

[sharktooth]

Is this even legal? I thought the FAA had "low blood sugar" concerns about cockpit flying long legs without food.

To an outsider, the rest seems to stink to high heaven. IMHO.

Are you saying that LOA 93 is OK with an "insider"?

All management needed was a facade, an appearance they could present to potential investors and stakeholders. Instead, our whacked out union, enabled by crybabies, took it seriously.

Who would blame management for taking all the gold the pilots threw at them? No wonder management all got giant bonuses. Instead of requiring a bi-annual review, we get nothing for six years.

I hope you furloughees will take the lessons to heart and never let such a pathetic MEC operate as we had the last eight years.

 

[nycbusdriver]

...never let such a pathetic MEC operate as we had the last eight years.

Eight years and still counting. The MEC still hasn't learned any lessons that I can discern. It's mostly the same old players (including at least one who voted to give away our pensions AND STILL serves on the MEC.)

 

[twoturnin]

LOA93 should be changed to PIT/PHL LOA 93----seems someone told me those PIT PHL knotheads didnt listen to advisers on when to take a deal----they cost the entire pilot group a TON of money and benefits thinking they were "sooooooo" smart----oops venting again.

 

[pilot]

You were misinformed. Cowards tend to spread misinformation to cover their cowardice.

I'll state it again for you furlouhgees considering coming back:

Be completely ready for more of the same treatment you got before you left and while you were gone. The post above confirms that your group doesn't even know the two councils who attempted to stand for you, and the profession, during the whole debacle. The cowards will not treat you any differently than before.

pilot

 

[john john]

The US Airways and America West collective bargaining agreements with ALPA will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers except that for every two (2) aircraft in excess of the combined 360 aircraft (excluding EMB 190 aircraft) operated at both US Airways and America West, that are added to revenue service in the mainline fleet, the Company may allow three (3) additional CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at Express carriers.

 

[N924PS]

LOA93 should be changed to PIT/PHL LOA 93----seems someone told me those PIT PHL knotheads didnt listen to advisers on when to take a deal----they cost the entire pilot group a TON of money and benefits thinking they were "sooooooo" smart----oops venting again.

Guys like you are the reason LOA93 passed in the first place. Now the rest have to live with it until the JNC presents a better working agreement.

The USAirways MEC as a body should be ashamed. It only took one stroke of the pen to erase all the hard won gains of 50+ years of efforts by previous MEC's.

 

[sharktooth]

LOA93 should be changed to PIT/PHL LOA 93----seems someone told me those PIT PHL knotheads didnt listen to advisers on when to take a deal----they cost the entire pilot group a TON of money and benefits thinking they were "sooooooo" smart----oops venting again.

Yeah, listen to those "advisors".

You mean like the one paid by USAirways, a million dollar "success fee", to get a done deal. I can tell where that "advisors" loyalties lay, and it was not with the pilots.

If you can actually think, his compensation was solely dependent on completing a deal, any deal. In fact, the sooner he could get the deal, the faster he could get his money.

The "deal" did have to pass a vote, a vote completely controlled by ALPA. But, he did not have to rely on computer high-jinks. A few well placed comments about "the company going under if 93 was not accepted" did the trick. Notice who made those comments. Not a one from the company. All from our union, and "advisor".

Jerry Glass has gone on record stating that he hoped the pilots would sign early enough so that the 11/13 protection would run out before the bk judge ruled, then he could make USAirways pilots cost about the same as Mesa Airlines. Sounds to me like those "knotheads" actually saved you money, not that you want to hear that you screwed up.

You've been duped. Yet, again.

---Another "knothead" resigned to coping with the results of a pilot group, 57% of which seems to be composed of slow-thinking permanent bedwetters that walk around with perpetually yellow-stained crotches. No wonder management thinks so little of the pilots.

Sigh.