Pilot job action?!

[jersey777]

Illegal?


How so?

Sick rate at historical low

Maybe the day to day operation depends on a lot of above and beyond pilot/mech/employee "stuff"

Extra effort that has been not only uncompensated, but not even recognized, much less appreciated

Maybe the folks getting 34% cuts imposed, outsourced, etc are worn out from all the usual above and beyond, and figure they'll just do what they're paid to do

The courts consider, simply put, a job action to be anything that is out of the norm. If the company can prove that one standard of behavior existed prior to a certain date, and then after that date, a different standard of behavior was adopted, then the court may side with the employer. This gives a company VERY broad latitude in arguing that any concerted effort by employees that is "outside the norm" can be considered a job action.

 

[ContUNITEus]

....And that's what happened at US Airways. Remember the east pilot (supposed) slowdown? Remember how that panned out? I personally still don't buy it that there was one, but hey, it doesn't take much of the millions of dollars that these corporations have, in order to get judges and juries to side with them.

 

[737823]

There clearly is job action taking place everyone knows it. I was just talking to one of the managers I know and she said "the pilots are refusing to fly some planes". It's been a nightmare for passengers many of the flights have been full as is this weekend and early this week people are being inconvenienced and it doesn't take a genius to see what the pilots are doing. One of my flights was delayed two hours asked the lead FA is it was was due to the pilots refusing to fly the aircraft following abrogation and all he did was give me a big smile.

Josh

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

You should really stick to what you know. I will let a pilot explain to you that they just do not "refuse to fly some planes".

 

[737823]

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[AMFAinMIAMI]

Any actions being taken by the pilots is NOT for us to comment on. Making assumptions and making statements with out direct knowledge should not be talked about on an open forum as this as I have said. Unless the Pilots themselves chime in, this subject should be closed. We have enough to worry about in our own area. What happens during flight operation not our concern.

Lets figure out How we are going to rid AA of the TWU..

Remember Safety in the air begins with quality maintenance on the Ground.

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

I just got back from a ORD-PVG round trip that saw MAJOR delays. It also saw multiple FAs visibly pissed when asked about AA.

I say SCREW AA management.....I feel awful for all the employees, and I'm by no means pro-labor as you can see from my other posts, but as an owner of a business with many employees, I just can't help but feel bad for how employees have been treated. Non of my management team members get bonus without our lowest part-time employee. EVERYONE gets a bonus, or no one does, and senior managers don't get 100% bonuses while secretaries get 5% ones I can tell you that much.

AA management should have forgone bonuses till all givebacks were restored to AA employees.

I'm considering leaving AA as an EXP as my conscious after my last trip last week is knawing at me. So if any employee is sending a msg to AA management, I say good for them.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[BigMac]

http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2012/09/18/book-away-from-american-this-fall-pilot-feud-has-made-airline-too-unreliable/

 

[Watdahail?]

Saw this on Facebook today:

My Capt working BNA said Friday is going to be BAD.
A Black Friday of sorts, so pack your patience and buckle up.

So there...

 

[care2purchasefood?]

I love it!!!! They are working to rule. That alone, will bring crAApy compAAny down! I was in IAH the other day and we had a mx on the super not so duper 80. They wrote it up and IAH did not have the part. Uh oh! Guess what they had to do?? Fly the part from DFW!!! It delayed the flight for a loooooong time. I was laughing the entire time!!!

 

[Hackman]

Saw this on Facebook today:

My Capt working BNA said Friday is going to be BAD.
A Black Friday of sorts, so pack your patience and buckle up.

So there...

 

[Hackman]

I saw this on Spacebook tomorrow..... A contagous strain of inflamed parallel translating hemorroids is reportedly going around CentrePork after a recent lengthy champagne lunch at a gentlemans club nearby. Has anyone heard any reports? This strain is supposedly ointment resistant and can be transmitted easily. Deadly if left untreated, as they may explode. Doctors are worried this strain could progress in a West Nile type of epidemic for the office bound. Onion News is working on the full story.

 

[Barfbag]

I just got back from a ORD-PVG round trip that saw MAJOR delays. It also saw multiple FAs visibly pissed when asked about AA.

I say SCREW AA management.....I feel awful for all the employees, and I'm by no means pro-labor as you can see from my other posts, but as an owner of a business with many employees, I just can't help but feel bad for how employees have been treated. Non of my management team members get bonus without our lowest part-time employee. EVERYONE gets a bonus, or no one does, and senior managers don't get 100% bonuses while secretaries get 5% ones I can tell you that much.

AA management should have forgone bonuses till all givebacks were restored to AA employees.

I'm considering leaving AA as an EXP as my conscious after my last trip last week is knawing at me. So if any employee is sending a msg to AA management, I say good for them.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Nice to read a passengers comment now and then. Thank you, but a big part of the reason why the airlines find themselves in this picke, is because passengers in general don't care about anything but lower airfares. To be fair I wouldn't turn down a free meal either, so night after night millions of people go on the Internet and bid down the price of a ticket to the point that the airline is better off not flying at all. What the passengers aren't aware of is that a loss of just two cents on a tickets could eventually mean the loss of thousands of airline jobs.

Passengers should have this power taken away from them in the form of airline regulation. Passengers need to be educated too.

The race to the bottom, aka airline deregulation, will continue to yield happier CEOs BODs and even happier passengers as profession workers get tossed in the garbage heap.

 

[Frank Szabo]

I saw this on Spacebook tomorrow..... A contagous strain of inflamed parallel translating hemorroids is reportedly going around CentrePork after a recent lengthy champagne lunch at a gentlemans club nearby. Has anyone heard any reports? This strain is supposedly ointment resistant and can be transmitted easily. Deadly if left untreated, as they may explode. Doctors are worried this strain could progress in a West Nile type of epidemic for the office bound. Onion News is working on the full story.

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[Bob Owens]

I just got back from a ORD-PVG round trip that saw MAJOR delays. It also saw multiple FAs visibly pissed when asked about AA.

I say SCREW AA management.....I feel awful for all the employees, and I'm by no means pro-labor as you can see from my other posts, but as an owner of a business with many employees, I just can't help but feel bad for how employees have been treated. Non of my management team members get bonus without our lowest part-time employee. EVERYONE gets a bonus, or no one does, and senior managers don't get 100% bonuses while secretaries get 5% ones I can tell you that much.

AA management should have forgone bonuses till all givebacks were restored to AA employees.

I'm considering leaving AA as an EXP as my conscious after my last trip last week is knawing at me. So if any employee is sending a msg to AA management, I say good for them.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Theres a reason why its called Arrogant Airlines. When questioned abou the lack of equality as far as sacrifice one senior AA official responded "Shared sacrifice doesnt mean equal sacrifice". "Let them eat cake"??

AA is done, no service company can survive when it has such bad relations with the people who actually provide the service. They will be fine as long as load factors remain high across the industry because consumers arent left with many options when the planes are all full, but that will pass and when it does AA is done.

Everybody is blaming the pilots, claiming that by reporting defects they are having a job action, well isnt a pilot legally required to report defects as he becomes aware of them? The WSJ accused pilots of grounding airplanes, pilots dont ground airplanes, if the book is signed off then they are ready to go-maintenance grounds airplanes, and three out of four line mechanics voted against the deal thats been imposed on them. The mechanics have more of a reason to be pissed than the pilots, they are at the bottom of the industry and will be there for at least six more years. The gap between AA mechanics pay and the average for the industry is huge, its like they are in a different industry or classification, thats why from my point of view as a mechanic the profession would be better off to see AA liquidate before other carriers use AA's contract as leverage to win concessions from their mechanics. With the high load factors we see across the industry, if AA does liquidate other carriers would rapidly expand and probably pick up most of AA's mechanics and pilots. So when a pilot does his job as directed by the company and the FAA and reports a defect when he becomes aware of it do you think the mechanic is going to give any extra effort at resolving the problem?

The company has gone to great legnths to alienate both the pilots and mechanics and it shows in their performance. If you have pilots that no longer sit on defects till termination at a Maint station and mechanics that are not focused on fixing the problem you are not going to have good performasnce. Much of what AA was able to take from mechanics was driven purely from spite, meant to degrade and humiliate them, and then they wonder why their planes dont leave on time. Mechanics at AA are not only the lowest paid in the industry they pay more for their medical out of pocket than any other mechanics, they have fewer paid Holidays and the few they have they only get half pay if they are required to work, they have half the sick time, less IOD time (another reason to take your time and work safe), no flexible vacation time like everyone else, and less vacation time than pretty much anybody (the first five years they only get one week) and on top of all that, in return for putting us so far into the bottom its as if we are in a different profession, they stuck in a letter where the Union has to committ to make AA number one.
Like I said three out of four mechanics that work the line voted against this deal, over 96% in the Northeast, do you think that when the pilots find a defect the mechanics are really all that motivated at getting that plane out on time? Why should they? The longer it takes for them to fix it the more opportunity they have to work OT and make up for the concessions that were just rammed down their throats. With such limited IOD time why take shortcuts?