Phl Factor - Again!

[BoeingBoy]

nycbusdriver,

You are correct - the public only sees the symptoms and makes their judgements from that. My only point was that we insiders should know that there are times when the symptoms are not the problem but an indication of a deeper problem - much as we pilots aren't a lazy bunch of SOB's just because we average less block hours per month than WN's pilots.

Jim

 

[GadgetFreak]

I have no knowledge of who was sick or not sick or whatever. But I do know that 3 hours is way to long for someone in management to have not known this was happening and fix it. It it totally inexcuseable that nothing was done about this by management. Thats their damn job, to make the airline run.

 

[El Gato]

All I will say is that the empirical evidence strongly suggests that Management is right on this one. I have seen more slackers in US's PHL operation than I care to comment on.

Cart drivers shopping while staff frantically page for them. Their response? T hey turn off the radio untill they finish buying a birthday gift and card. Rampers sitting under the shade of a jetway, looking like they worked for a very profitable company.

PineyBob,

Just the other day you were calling me a basher, a liar, and worse for saying the exact same thing YOU just said about the Philly workers. What happened?

 

[etops1]

there is no accountabilty at this airline for anyone. from management to the least paid employee. no one takes responsibility for there messed up actions. thats why wn is gonna eat our lunch.

 

[El Gato]

- much as we pilots aren't a lazy bunch of SOB's just because we average less block hours per month than WN's pilots.

Jim

Why do you average less hours a month then them? Don't like to fly? Busy running a business at home on the side?(which many of the pilots do). Too good to work a real amount? 85 hours a month too tough for you?

Wn pilots are knocking in 85 average a month. You are doing at best 55. Do not try to tell me that you are not what you have just said, because the facts are omnipresent. Southwest is making money.

You are not.

Southwest is flying their aircraft more hours a day and the pilots are earning better pay for doing better work.

You are not.

Don't even try to dish out the thought that "But we are safer than them". Southwest has never lost a life in their entire history.

Don't get me started on US Airways.

And don't try to defend your lack of labor. It is too late now to save it anyway.

 

[Dea Certe]

El Gato,

Someone needs to change your litter box.

Dea

 

[El Gato]

there is no accountabilty at this airline for anyone. from management to the least paid employee. no one takes responsibility for there messed up actions. thats why wn is gonna eat our lunch.

Listen, I know I have been getting your goat recently with my postings, and I want to set the record straight with you. I do not want Us Airways to go out of business. I have wanted to see US Airways survive, thrive and start kicking some butt out there. I would LOVE to see you guys kick Southwests a** at Philly. But I can promise you that will not happen, not with the attitude of the workers, not with the lazyness, the "it's not my problem" attitude, and others. You think I am someone who is taking delight in what is happening? Let me tell you something, if US Airways fails, I will take it as a personal loss. And even though I am already set to recover from it, that will not diminish my sorrow, and anger over what has happened. I am angry at management, but I am also angry at folks like PITBull. You didn't want to struggle, you didnt want to fight onwards, and now it is all gone. Blown away.

And worst of all, you have all helped to illistrate to me why US Airways is dying. Because even though you know what is wrong, even though you are capable of correcting it, you do nothing but whine, argue, moan, and say "I don't care, I won't give. I won't help." Some esprit de corps you guys got.

 

[hack73]

There were 26 call offs Sunday night in Phl,which is about normal.The problem is the severe understaffing.PIT has the same problem every weekend!

 

[El Gato]

El Gato,

Someone needs to change your litter box.

Dea

Dea,

Here is link for you.

http://www.dli.state.pa.us/landi/cwp/view....iRNavradF37CF=|

Use it well.

 

[Dizel8]

Is El Gato Siegel!

Would not be surprised!

El Gato, I am a kind caring person, but as of tomorrow, I hope you have been made redundant.

 

[BoeingBoy]

El Gato,

As usual, you don't let facts get in the way of a good rant....

" Why do you average less hours a month then them? Don't like to fly? Busy running a business at home on the side?(which many of the pilots do). Too good to work a real amount? 85 hours a month too tough for you?"

In order, no, no, no, no. I like to fly, don't have a business on the side, define "a real amount", and it's not too tough since I fly 85 hours a month.

"You are doing at best 55. Do not try to tell me that you are not what you have just said, because the facts are omnipresent."

See above - I fly 85 hours a month on average, your "omnipresent" facts notwithstanding.

"Southwest is flying their aircraft more hours a day and the pilots are earning better pay for doing better work.

You are not."

I guess you'll have to define "better work" - I've never had an incident, always landed at the right airport, gotten my share of good letters from passengers, always try to get the passengers to their destination on time after the "safe" and "comfortable" priorities have been assured, and had every passenger walk off the airplane that walked on.

"Don't even try to dish out the thought that "But we are safer than them"."

Never have, never will - while I don't know any Southwest pilots personally, I suspect they run the same gamut as most other airlines' pilots (from excellent to "only" above average)

"And don't try to defend your lack of labor."

Don't need to defend anything - especially some so-called "lack of labor".

Now, I know that you have a great disdain for real facts - they interfere with your childish outbursts. But here's one anyway...

WN pilots aren't "knocking in 85 [hours] average a month". Their average is 62-65 block hours a month. The last believable numbers I've seen for US is 55 block hours a month. When considering the mixed fleet type only (not an employee decision, by the way), that isn't a bad comparison.

Jim

 

[GadgetFreak]

there is no accountabilty at this airline for anyone. from management to the least paid employee. no one takes responsibility for there messed up actions. thats why wn is gonna eat our lunch.

You are absolutely correct. I hope the new manangement is aware of this and can change it. They dont have much time I sense. Does anyone get fired when stuff like this happens?

 

[usfliboi]

Bob , you are correct. Phl needs an attitude adjustment but frankly its too late. Theres no doubt in this opinion that we are for sale in pieces. Hope afl has a plan to pump money back into its coffers because its getting ready to lose a majority of dues.... The attitude at philly cant be blamed on Dave. Phl has long been known for its major problems with employee attitude and nothing has changed that. What a shame. I have over 16 years invested with this company and were history. I hope the likes of teddi who felt she had a better education than dave or bronner has some solutions for "her" following in pit, because throwing red names and words isnt gonna help anyone now.

 

[bofie]

Whatever the truth is...lazy workers or inept mgt...or both...the passenger's perception of PHL is that long delays in deplaning and longer delays at baggage are US's fault. If US is going to take on the WN challenge it needs to correct this most basic service issue.

Replacing the mgt at PHL was a great move. It is a shame that some PR can't come from this....I can picture the banner across the B/C baggage area..."PHL, NOW UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT"

 

[crushed]

I now that everyone wants to believe that the ramp agents in Philly are sitting in the breakroom watching tv while your flight sits....but that's just not true. The only time anyone sits these days is when they are taking their 1/2 hour lunch break. (legally and contractully deserving) Although I will admit, if they haven't had their break 5 hours into their shift...they take it! If a flight sits because of that...it sits. We are tired of getting a "paid lunch" everyday. The agents want and NEED the break.
Philly just isn't staffed properly. There isn't a crew available for every gate. After 8:30pm it drops down to 1 crew for 3 gates and after 10:30 there are 5 ramp agents to handle 5 flights that all come in within an hour and most with 5000lbs. plus. Management in PHL has always felt that the local passengers can wait as long as it takes to get the bags to them. Local bags have NEVER been a priority in Phl!!
Example:
The other night I was that only one on a 6000 lbs. offload. I parked it and hooked up the power then took the claim at gates up. I offloaded that connecting bags for the runner and pulled up the carts for the local bags....I then waited 1/2 hour for help. Two leads fianlly walked out and said that they didn't know I was the only one on the flight. (THEY posted the schedule that had only my name listed for the flight!!) After unloading the local bags the leads walked inside, I climbed out off the belly and ran the 180 local bags 1hour and 20 min. after it arived!
The new station mamager is hiring people hand over fist....but it's too little too late. The agents in PHL are beat up and not willing to stay 1 min. past the end of there shift to cover managements staffing model blunder! Management doesn't have a clue whats going on....some have no airline experience....the leads don't take responsablity....and no one is held accountable.
Less then 40% of the ramp in Philly is from Philly....the people you now call deadbeats are the same ones who worked their ass off along with you in PIT, BWI, DAY, IND, TPA, CLT, LGA and so on. We try to make Philly work despite the deplorable conditons we are given.

Just my $0.02.....end of rant!