Parker's take on the old AA and Labor

[FWAAA]

And to prove that he is labor friendly, he threatened to put the 14,000 people at Eagle on the street unless the 2,200 pilots there gave more.

If anyone is so delusional as to think that Parker will treat labor better than did Crandall/Carty/Arpey/Horton, this is Exhibit A to disprove that fantasy.  

Ah, yes.  The highly effective "Kum-Ba-Ya Method."  
 
I can't imagine why they don't try that.
 
Perhaps if the NMB required it of their mediators?

Says a member of the sole workgroup at US that just had hundreds of millions of dollars thrown at them.    
 
Nor because Parker wanted to, of course, but because the APA would have burned the place down if y'all hadn't been given raises on Day 1 to give you pay parity with the AA pilots.   The APA has a history of anger issues when another mainline subsidiary is paid less $$$.    What did the USAPA say the MOU was worth to the US pilots?    $1.6 billion over six years.   

 

[eolesen]

Some of you guys will never get it because you can't see around the chip on your shoulder.

Did you ever think as to why WN's unions are well paid? It's because they they actually talk WITH management. They figured out that give & take isn't always "give to me and take away from you". Same thing at AS.

Mutual respect might sound like a catch phrase to some, but it's the only way I've seen companies succeed.

I know, it's too idealistic for those who gave concessions to figure out, but it *is* possible. There's a reason the rear view mirror doesn't fill up the entire front windshield...

 

[RJcasualty]

Below is a list of the 100 best companies to work for. Compensation might play a part, but QOL and trust could be a huge motivating factor:   http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/best-companies/2013/list/

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Yes OldGuy, I know your battle...just wasn't sure who drove forklifts other than maybe mechanics over at the hanger...

Stock clerks are now given skill pay on top of the raises that were supposed to be cost neutral.  They lost no more benefits while fleet and AMTs lost their 6th week of vacation.  Do you wonder how the raises and skill pay for stock clerks was funded when they lost nothing and gained in all areas in this contract?  I challenge you to ask a TWU officer exactly what the stock clerks gave up to fund the raises and skill pay while keeping 6 weeks of vacation.  They can't tell you because the fact is all their enhancements were funded by other work group concessions.  

 

[xUT]

Parker is labor friendly.
Now I heard everything.
Next up, Pigs can fly...
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[MetalMover]

Stock clerks are now given skill pay on top of the raises that were supposed to be cost neutral.  They lost no more benefits while fleet and AMTs lost their 6th week of vacation.  Do you wonder how the raises and skill pay for stock clerks was funded when they lost nothing and gained in all areas in this contract?  I challenge you to ask a TWU officer exactly what the stock clerks gave up to fund the raises and skill pay while keeping 6 weeks of vacation.  They can't tell you because the fact is all their enhancements were funded by other work group concessions.  

According to one of our stock guys who is now VP of the region and was in on negotiations, they kept the vacation and skipped one of their annual pay increases of 3%.

 

[Kev3188]

 

I think you are wrong E. Ask anyone in the airline industry and they will tell you that the other work group makes too much for what they do.

"How can you pay a pilot that much to do what a monkey/drone can do"?

"How can you pay a ramper that much to throw bags"?

"How can you pay a F/A that much to serve drinks"?

"How can you pay a , blah blah blah"?

Feel free to flame me you all.

Several airline executives have capitalized on that to extract shareholder value. That is not to say they are the best leaders. It remains to be seen who is.

Who could argue a single word of that?
 
 

Stock clerks are now given skill pay on top of the raises that were supposed to be cost neutral.  They lost no more benefits while fleet and AMTs lost their 6th week of vacation.  Do you wonder how the raises and skill pay for stock clerks was funded when they lost nothing and gained in all areas in this contract?  I challenge you to ask a TWU officer exactly what the stock clerks gave up to fund the raises and skill pay while keeping 6 weeks of vacation.  They can't tell you because the fact is all their enhancements were funded by other work group concessions.

Maybe they had better negotiators at the table...

 

[jcw]

Some of you guys will never get it because you can't see around the chip on your shoulder.

Did you ever think as to why WN's unions are well paid? It's because they they actually talk WITH management. They figured out that give & take isn't always "give to me and take away from you". Same thing at AS.

Mutual respect might sound like a catch phrase to some, but it's the only way I've seen companies succeed.

I know, it's too idealistic for those who gave concessions to figure out, but it *is* possible. There's a reason the rear view mirror doesn't fill up the entire front windshield...

Your exactly right - the approach on the US side is me, me, me - there is no partnership - SW is paid well because they work hard and drive productivity and they actually like their customers - stand around a gate and listen to the folks complain about customers and other employees - the negativity from US unions is the just like the unions at the steel mills - my uncle used to brag about the 13 weeks vacation he got each year from the mill - mill went bankrupt and no longer exists - he lost his job and is living on a very reduced pension and SS - if you milk the cow dry you have no more milk

 

[Thomas Paine]

Only a fool would think restoring concessions will fix labor relations.

Ask anyone how much money they think they're worth, and it will almost always be more than what they're currently paid, even after getting a raise.

You'd be better off finding out that both sides of the table are actually listening to each other. You don't have to agree, but just listening to what both sides has to say would be a far cry from where its been for the past decade...

Only a fool would trust someone who didn't restore concessions first. We see how Parker treats the workers he has had for years. You claim we don't listen, sure we do, but listening doesn't mean believing. Why? because every management team that comes through says pretty much the same thing and every time so far it has turned out to be a lie. this time they have to show good faith first.

 

[Thomas Paine]

OK, so if they throw money at you, that's really going to fix the lack of trust?

Doubtful.

Why do they need trust?  The way they are acting with the IAM shows that they want our trust because their intent is to screw us. They need trust so they can get us to work at making them number one without them paying us for it. AA is now the largest airline in the industry and he wont even give them a deal that brings them close to number 2 or 3.

Parker wants us to make him number one in everything and in return he says he may pay us like number two or three, after we have made him number 1 in everything. And we should trust him why? Because he says he want better labor relations? You cant have it both ways, you cant screw your workers to death and then say "lets be friends".
 
Sorry Parkers track record isn't that good as far as trust. SWA didn't tell their guys work for nothing and someday we will pay you well. SWA didn't tell their workers to trust them.

First thing Parker can do if he wants to start earning our "trust" is get a deal with the IAM, otherwise there is no trust, if he doesn't trust us then why should we trust him? If he wants better relations the first move is on him. I'm ok with bad relations going hand in hand with bad contracts, I'd rather have the opposite but we didn't end up where we are because the company treated us well. we ended up here because management said we need these concessions and we need your trust, then they screwed us by dragging out negotiations then going into BK to get more concessions. 
 
We have given above and beyond, he needs to earn trust if that's what he wants and I haven't seen anything yet. Not one thing. Not even an offer to get everyone in on Profit Sharing until he strikes new deals.  

 

[nycbusdriver]

Only a fool would trust someone who didn't restore concessions first. We see how Parker treats the workers he has had for years. You claim we don't listen, sure we do, but listening doesn't mean believing. Why? because every management team that comes through says pretty much the same thing and every time so far it has turned out to be a lie. this time they have to show good faith first.

 
You are exactly correct.
 
Despite the view-through-rose-colored-glasses espoused by some here, with few exceptions (SW, and maybe DL) airline management is strictly bottom line and, despite the pretty words to the contrary, they view organized labor as a liability to subdue.
 
The ONLY thing some of these MBA airline wunderkind understand is power, and that is all they will listen to.  Over the years they have managed (cleverly) to get the playing field tilted in favor of management.  (Thanks to the republicans and the self-loathing, clueless, quickly-dwindling middle class that empowers them.)

 

[will fix for food]

 
Not even an offer to get everyone in on Profit Sharing until he strikes new deals.

Don't hold your breath on getting profit sharing. I know they took it from American management and now they are taking it from Eagle. Pretty soon it will have vanished for everybody.

 

[john john]

Don't hold your breath on getting profit sharing. I know they took it from American management and now they are taking it from Eagle. Pretty soon it will have vanished for everybody.

The Passenger Service Agents at US still have Profit Sharing and their contract that is until things change? How long do you think it will take senior management to take it away from the agents if they vote out the union?

 

[700UW]

Seems someone needs to wake up Ted Reed.
 
Eight years to get a combine Flight Attendant Contract.
 
The IAM all three groups, and the CWA going on three years or so with no new CBA.
 
Pilots over nine  years no new CBA, with the seniority issue causing most of that.
 
Doug, and Al are not labor friendly and never have been.

 

[737823]

Yet the silly AA unions were embracing DP and this useless merger with the strategically weakest and dumpiest airline.

Josh