Parker's take on the old AA and Labor

[MetalMover]

Gee, the way I see it, no union has been more accommodating to management than the TWU
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/doug-parker-old-american-airlines-133200111.html

 

[Chuck Schalk]

OK Mr. parker how about you take the reins and attempt to repair our management/Labor relationship?  Here is a hint;
 
restore our concessions and we can move forward otherwise you are no different.

 

[DNTULSA]

The labor problems must have been with the pilots and the fa's.
 
The twu gave management anything it wanted.

 

[eolesen]

Only a fool would think restoring concessions will fix labor relations.

Ask anyone how much money they think they're worth, and it will almost always be more than what they're currently paid, even after getting a raise.

You'd be better off finding out that both sides of the table are actually listening to each other. You don't have to agree, but just listening to what both sides has to say would be a far cry from where its been for the past decade...

 

[will fix for food]

And to prove that he is labor friendly, he threatened to put the 14,000 people at Eagle on the street unless the 2,200 pilots there gave more.

 

[nycbusdriver]

You'd be better off finding out that both sides of the table are actually listening to each other. You don't have to agree, but just listening to what both sides has to say would be a far cry from where its been for the past decade...

 
Ah, yes.  The highly effective "Kum-Ba-Ya Method."  
 
I can't imagine why they don't try that.
 
Perhaps if the NMB required it of their mediators?

 

[jimntx]

And, we shall all embrace and call each other "thou". 

 

[eolesen]

OK, so if they throw money at you, that's really going to fix the lack of trust?

Doubtful.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Only a fool would think restoring concessions will fix labor relations.Ask anyone how much money they think they're worth, and it will almost always be more than what they're currently paid, even after getting a raise.You'd be better off finding out that both sides of the table are actually listening to each other. You don't have to agree, but just listening to what both sides has to say would be a far cry from where its been for the past decade...

I think you are wrong E. Ask anyone in the airline industry and they will tell you that the other work group makes too much for what they do.

"How can you pay a pilot that much to do what a monkey/drone can do"?

"How can you pay a ramper that much to throw bags"?

"How can you pay a F/A that much to serve drinks"?

"How can you pay a , blah blah blah"?

Feel free to flame me you all.

Several airline executives have capitalized on that to extract shareholder value. That is not to say they are the best leaders. It remains to be seen who is.

 

[eolesen]

No question that each workgroup thinks the other guys are overpaid, but the fact still stands that each workgroup will always feel they deserve more than what they're currently getting, even when they're the highest paid in a peer group.

And yes, the same goes for executives as well as the front lines.

 

[MetalMover]

Only a fool would think restoring concessions will fix labor relations.

Ask anyone how much money they think they're worth, and it will almost always be more than what they're currently paid, even after getting a raise.

You'd be better off finding out that both sides of the table are actually listening to each other. You don't have to agree, but just listening to what both sides has to say would be a far cry from where its been for the past decade...

E, do you not realize that despite the TWU giving the company everything they have ever wanted, it should have brought about the best labor relations of all time?
I guess the fool you are referring to is a veiled reference to labor. After all money is not a motivator unless it is given to the heirarchy.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

OK Mr. parker how about you take the reins and attempt to repair our management/Labor relationship?  Here is a hint;
 
restore our concessions and we can move forward otherwise you are no different.

 
What?  Treat people like humans by giving unfair concessions back?  Of course it won't work.  AA has never tried that because obviously it won't work.  Parker pays lip service but actions speak lots louder.  All talk no action.  He is just like his buddies Whoreton and Arpey.  More promises from management that will be forgotten quickly.  In Tulsa we have pretty much the same management as before only the biggest idiots were given promotions!  Do you think anything will get better there?  Tulsa has been mismanaged for many years and all managers should have been given their walking papers.  That would have sent a message.  Parker also promised accountability but we have heard that before too.  Once again our CEO pi$$es on our backs and tells us it's raining.  E's comments are funny too.  He and his fellow ego maniacs actually believe they are much more valuable to the airline than any lowly mechanic.  I'd like to see him try to troubleshoot and clear a pirep or complete a work card.  Interesting that at American Airlines, those that contribute the very least to the successful operation of the aircraft that actually fly the routes and the people are rewarded with high pay and all the benefits while those of us who actually keep the aircraft flying despite the stupid decisions by these morons are treated like second class citizens.  Chuck how DARE you demand the same benefits as a clerk or secretary.  You are just a lowly mechanic and do not deserve even the same benefits as someone who drives a fork lift!  Stop asking for things that you don't deserve.  You get 5 whole holidays a year that you aren't allowed to take off.  Management deserves their 11 paid holidays.  They work harder and are more valuable.  The guy that drives the fork lift is more valuable too apparently since he gets better benefits than you or I do. As a matter of fact EVERYONE at AA gets better benefits than an AMT.  If enough people sign AMFA cards we can get all this taken care of and people like E will either have to start to respect our skill or go destroy some other industry.  I have no respect for the people who disrespect me and my profession.  That goes for E as he proves his hatred for us in every post.  As far as his opinions go I am not interested.  Anyone who would defend this lousy management has got to have his head examined.  His posts should show everyone what happens when you smoke crack.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm curious, who drives a forklift?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Stock clerks drive fork lifts. (I think you know this).  The fork lift driver was referred to as a way to remind other TWU work groups that AMTs are treated like second class citizens in our own union.  No other work group can say they are the lowest paid in the industry either.  These are the reasons most of us want out of the TWU.

 

[AANOTOK]

Yes OldGuy, I know your battle...just wasn't sure who drove forklifts other than maybe mechanics over at the hanger...