OH NO (eolesen, dell, southwindBAG) " Say it isn't SO "

[southwind]

Once the poor, impoverished,gimpy,LAZY,perverted,gay and everything people {All your words, not mine) find out how much they're going to have to fork out, I doubt they'll continue to be BaRack-O-Care supporters.....these peeps are used to "FREE" stuff !

 

[delldude]

Thats a lot of effort, to cut n run from a paycut...

Im not buying it....

You are, but then again you bought cheney's "defeciets dont matter"....

Soo, what do i know... Lol

Sonny boy, you're still wet behind the ears......

"I think the big story is . . . the future of nursing is dominated by aging baby-boomer nurses who are going to retire, and we are looking at massive shortages," Buerhaus said. "Others are not picking up the retirements of physicians. There's just not going to be as many doctors as needed out there." http://www.washingto...0061304096.html

About 76 million baby boomers, or those born between 1946 and 1964, are set to retire in large numbers by the end of the decade. Boomers make up about one-third of the U.S. workforce, and there aren’t enough younger workers to replace them. Labor shortages in key industries will force a radical rethinking of recruitment, retention, flexible work schedules and retirement.
http://www.forbes.co...9bizbasics.html

Americans alive today have never experienced a real physician shortage. Sure, there have been occasional dips every few years in certain specialties, like when we worried that we may not have enough obstetricians to go around. And after the need for HMO gatekeepers went away, a shortage of primary-care physicians developed and is worsening. But a widespread, sustained doctor drought is American healthcare’s disaster without a preparedness plan.

Peter Fine, president and chief executive officer of Banner Health in Phoenix, disputes the notion of a “looming physician shortage” over the next 10 years or longer. Forget “looming,” Fine says—the shortage is already here. Each of the 20 facilities that Banner operates in seven Western states is already feeling adverse effects, he says. “It is playing out everywhere, whether it is a rural or an urban marketplace. We have not produced enough physicians to serve the population we have in this country. This is only going to get worse because we are not producing enough physicians to meet the needs of the population we have today or the baby boomers of tomorrow.”
The timing really could not be worse. One out of three practicing physicians in the United States is over the age of 55, and many of them are expected to retire in the next 10 or 15 years. Meanwhile, U.S. medical schools have not provided for the loss of 33 percent of the nation’s physician work force. http://www.healthlea...-Enough-Doctors

Data from the Pew Research Center revealed that 10,000 Baby Boomers will reach age 65 every day during the next two decades. The oldest of the country’s estimated 77 million Baby Boomers began turning age 65—the traditional retirement age—in 2011.
Despite this alarming data, the SHRM-AARP survey—conducted Feb. 13-March 12, 2012—found that many U.S. organizations are largely unprepared for the brain drain and skills void that talented, retiring older workers will leave.

Means 'hey kid, you're on your own'.
http://www.shrm.org/...dskillgaps.aspx

You can probably expect the government to step in and 'fix' the doctor/nursing shortage by lowering testing and hiring standards in the future to meet the need, much like they did with civil service standards and testing which has caused the quality of civil servitude to fall appreciably.

There also will be an incentive to try and keep the experienced boomer workforce and their knowledge after retirement to bridge the skill gap by offering flex time, consult work and so on, so employers can keep moving on. This will also deny young smacks the opportunities for advancement.

 

[Kev3188]

You can probably expect the government to step in and 'fix' the doctor/nursing shortage by lowering testing and hiring standards in the future to meet the need, much like they did with civil service standards and testing which has caused the quality of civil servitude to fall appreciably.

I hope not, but time'll tell, I guess.

There also will be an incentive to try and keep the experienced boomer workforce and their knowledge after retirement to bridge the skill gap by offering flex time, consult work and so on, so employers can keep moving on. This will also deny young smacks the opportunities for advancement.

See above


The mention of a skills gap is dead on, though I'm guessing we have differing reasons. I can tell you that in my part of the world, there is a large gap- not only in healthcare, but also skilled trades. The college by my house has a multi-year wait to get into the nursing program. What's stopping the bridging of that gap? An obstructionist (majority) GOP that simply refuses to invest in it's own constituents, even though it runs totally counter to their stated jobs agenda.

Separately, my local school district has partnered with the IBEW to demonstrate the value of a skilled trade as an option to high school students. it's being touted as "the other 4 year degree."

Lots of visibility (they're highlighting a trade each month during the school year) and I really think it will benefit the student body.

P.S. Before anyone sh*ts kittens, yes I know "union" is a 4 letter word in the WC. Doesn't lessen the positive impact this type of outreach could possibly have going forward.

 

[Ms Tree]

Waiting list for nursing school here in TX also. We ended up taking out a loan so she could go to a trade school to get her license. Ended up being a good decision. Should have the loan paid off in a few years. Not sure where the shortage stuff is comoing from. Seems like everyone wants to get into the health care business.

 

[eolesen]

Nurses? Sure, they're in demand. My sister was essentially able to name her own price when she re-entered the workforce with her BSN.

But doctors leaving medicine? Absolutely. You've got an increasing number of boomers who are deciding to retire early, rather than go thru the expense of upgrading to EMR's and working for less due to increases in both Medicare and Medicaid patient loads.

There will also be working age MD's who close their private practice and simply go to work in a mega-practice or for a hospital, so that they're getting a salary instead of trying to succeed as a small business. I've had two of our family doctors consolidate into larger practices in the past two years. Coincidence? I doubt it. Again, there's the cost of EMR implementation, and a drive to reduce overhead to accommodate shrinking profit margins.

Data? Considering the ACA isn't implemented yet, exactly what data are you expecting to see? The fact that you have more and more responsibilities being pushed down to lesser degreed people (i.e. PA's, LPN's) should have been the first red flag on this, and all the new requirements and lower rates of pay will do is exacerbate the shortage.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Yea, doctors are gonna leave there field. Because of Obamacare...
How many pilots left there career because of affordable air fares?

How would you know? You didn't sign up through Healthcare.gov.

 

[Kev3188]

There will also be working age MD's who close their private practice and simply go to work in a mega-practice or for a hospital, so that they're getting a salary instead of trying to succeed as a small business. I've had two of our family doctors consolidate into larger practices in the past two years. Coincidence? I doubt it. Again, there's the cost of EMR implementation, and a drive to reduce overhead to accommodate shrinking profit margins.

Taken by itself, how is that worse? My GP is part of a large system, and I have more access to them than I ever had with a previous doctor...

 

[im back..!!]

Nurses? Sure, they're in demand. My sister was essentially able to name her own price when she re-entered the workforce with her BSN.

But doctors leaving medicine? Absolutely. You've got an increasing number of boomers who are deciding to retire early, rather than go thru the expense of upgrading to EMR's and working for less due to increases in both Medicare and Medicaid patient loads.

There will also be working age MD's who close their private practice and simply go to work in a mega-practice or for a hospital, so that they're getting a salary instead of trying to succeed as a small business. I've had two of our family doctors consolidate into larger practices in the past two years. Coincidence? I doubt it. Again, there's the cost of EMR implementation, and a drive to reduce overhead to accommodate shrinking profit margins.

Data? Considering the ACA isn't implemented yet, exactly what data are you expecting to see? The fact that you have more and more responsibilities being pushed down to lesser degreed people (i.e. PA's, LPN's) should have been the first red flag on this, and all the new requirements and lower rates of pay will do is exacerbate the shortage.

Similar thing happened in the air travel industry. Small, fly-by-nite operators were forced out in favor of large well funded airlines.

Safety and efficiency improved to the betterment of society as a whole.

Same thing will happen in medicine, is that a bad thing?

 

[Ms Tree]

Nurses? Sure, they're in demand. My sister was essentially able to name her own price when she re-entered the workforce with her BSN.

But doctors leaving medicine? Absolutely. You've got an increasing number of boomers who are deciding to retire early, rather than go thru the expense of upgrading to EMR's and working for less due to increases in both Medicare and Medicaid patient loads.

There will also be working age MD's who close their private practice and simply go to work in a mega-practice or for a hospital, so that they're getting a salary instead of trying to succeed as a small business. I've had two of our family doctors consolidate into larger practices in the past two years. Coincidence? I doubt it. Again, there's the cost of EMR implementation, and a drive to reduce overhead to accommodate shrinking profit margins.

Data? Considering the ACA isn't implemented yet, exactly what data are you expecting to see? The fact that you have more and more responsibilities being pushed down to lesser degreed people (i.e. PA's, LPN's) should have been the first red flag on this, and all the new requirements and lower rates of pay will do is exacerbate the shortage.

Wife had the opposite experience. She has her LVN and is now in school to get her RN. Most hospotals here only hire RN's so that they are dated higher. Not sure about PA's. Of all the times we've been seen in hospitals or Dr in box places I have never been seen by a PA.

As for sbortages, I have not heard of these shortages affecting other countries with universal health care.

 

[700UW]

I went to the ER several months ago, after I accidentally stabbed my hand and I was seen by the PA.

 

[delldude]

I went to the ER several months ago, after I accidentally stabbed my hand and I was seen by the PA.

Nurses around here are saying PA's or Nurse Practitioners are going to be the way of the future.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Nurses around here are saying PA's or Nurse Practitioners are going to be the way of the future.

 
dell,..........is that the same kind of statement,.............similiar to..........(uncle) Herman Cain, Santorum, Rick Perry, Romney, Huckelberry, Bachman, Cruz, Palin, Rubio, Rand Paul  et al.......were/are going to be the "WAY of the FUTURE"   ????????/ 

 

[delldude]

dell,..........is that the same kind of statement,.............similiar to..........(uncle) Herman Cain, Santorum, Rick Perry, Romney, Huckelberry, Bachman, Cruz, Palin, Rubio, Rand Paul  et al.......were/are going to be the "WAY of the FUTURE"   ????????/

You are 'back in the day'.

Hey Bear.....the GOP shutdown dominating the news?

 

[southwind]

No Dell. Please tell us what is dominating the news right now!

 

[delldude]

Source : ABC news-Washington post poll of 1,002 US Adults conducted Oct. 17-20.
Margin of error is + / - 3.5 percentage points.

Americans dissatisfied with GOP.

ABC NEWS - WASHINGTON POST POLL
Q: Overall, do you have a favorable / unfavorable impression of ...

Barack Obama ......... + 50%....... - 48%
Democratic Party ......+ 46%....... - 49 %

The political movement known as the REPUBLICAN PARTY......... " + 32% ..... - 63% "

The political movement known as the TEA PARTY........................" + 26% ..... - 59% "


OK, let the CONSERVATIVE " SPIN " Begin.

A. ABC News is in the ' Bag ' for the Dems !
B. The WAPO is in the ' Bag ' for the Dems !


C. ONLY '47 %ers' answered this poll.
D. ONLY Hispanics answered this poll.
E. ONLY AFRICAN AMERICANS answered this poll .
F. ONLY Young Women answered this poll.


The REPUBLICAN PARTY.
The GIFT that Keeps On GIVING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% of Likely U.S. Voters think the president’s views are closest to their own when it comes to the major issues facing the country. But just as many (42%) say their views come closest to those of the average  Tea Party member instead. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)