Official: AMR Bankrupt

[700UW]

You may want to double check that. In 2001 we went from around $27 to $35, as did most other mechanics in the industry around that time. Our wages had fallen way behind and these increases nearly brought us up to where we should have been. Maybe your guys never fell as far behind.



In other words you guys ratified it rather than challenge him, but the end result is you ratified it.

Doesnt the RLA say that if a contract is abrogated you can strike?

Doesnt C-11 say that contracts covered under the RLA can not be abrogated in BK? (1167)

Wasnt there an exclusion for the airlines even though we are under the RLA that our contracts would be handled as if we were under the NLRA? Did you guys even question the reasoning behind being excluded?

Under the NLRA cant workers strike if their contract is abrogated and new terms imposed?

So if both the RLA and the NLRA say that we can strike if our contract is abrogated and new terms are imposed shouldnt you guys have challeneged the court? Thats been the law and practice for over 75 years. Didnt you guys even challenge the fact that by him abrogating the contract and imposing new terms that you have not been afforded the same protections under the law as other workers under the laws as written? What did your legal team say?

So if the Judge did not want a strike he should have denied the companys request to abrogate, because under the RLA we cant strike as long as our agreement remains in place.

You guys folded, (so did we under much less pressure but we never sold ourselves as The Fighting Machinists) and setup the AFA to eventually take the fall in a decision that reeks like "Plessy vs Ferguson". The segregation of workers who have already been segregated where the protections that justified the segregation have been stripped away, its almost a form of Double Jepardy. The RLA is clear, change our rates of pay or anything else that qualifies as a major dispute and we can protect our interests. The hooples in the AFA vs NWA decision simply made up new rules because they knew that labor was too timid to challenege them, you guys set the tone.

How can a law be considered "fair and just" if it applies to some workers one way but other workers a different way?







According to your contract you should be in Mediation as of July.

Our CBA was settled in 1999, not 2001.

Section 1167 applies to railroads only not Airlines, according to Sharon Levine who is one of the top bankruptcy lawyers in the US.

The NLRA has nothing to do with Airlines, why even bother bringing it up, unless you intend to throw people off the truth?

And Bankruptcy law trumps the RLA.

And the courts have shown you cant strike.

 

[ebwgs]

So the pension has gone from $7 billion in july, to $10billion last week to $4 billion now.

No I was actually referencing his response when questioned if AA would remain "independent" upon it's emergence from BK.

 

[Buck]

Texas Base Eagle Pilots

Are the Texas based pilots of Eagle different than the rest of the system?

DALLAS — American Eagle, the regional-flying affiliate of American Airlines, may furlough 223 Texas-based pilots and flight attendants in February as the company cuts costs under bankruptcy protection.

American Eagle notified Texas officials of the possible furloughs on the same day that its CEO told employees that bankruptcy reorganization will mean job losses and unpopular decisions.

Eagle vice president Cathy McCann told the Texas Workforce Commission in a letter received Thursday that 119 pilots and 104 flight attendants in the Dallas-Fort Worth area could lose their jobs around Feb. 13. The employees work for Executive Airlines, an Eagle division that operates turboprop planes between U.S. and Caribbean points.

Eagle spokesman Ed Martelle said that as the company considers cost-cutting moves, "there is a strong possibility" that turboprops used between Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport and other U.S. destinations will be returned to the leasing company in late January.

American, the nation's third-biggest airline, has about 74,000 employees, and Eagle has about 14,000, including part-timers.

Thomas W. Horton also said Thursday in a letter to employees that "opportunists" might try to buy American, sell it or break it up, but he advocated keeping the company together.​

AMR Corp., which owns American Airlines and Eagle, filed for bankruptcy protection on Nov. 29. The company hopes to reduce debt and aircraft-lease obligations and reduce labor costs while in bankruptcy.

Separately, AMR's new CEO, Thomas W. Horton, told employees Thursday that the company will cut jobs as it goes through bankruptcy. He didn't give a figure.

"We will have to make very tough and sometimes unpopular decisions that will impact people's lives," Horton said.

Horton said American will focus in coming weeks on renegotiating debt and aircraft-lease deals. He said the company will ground some planes and shrink before it can grow again. According to a Wolfe Trahan & Co. analyst, AMR has cut passenger-carrying capacity for the next three months by 2.5 percent, nearly double the airline's own November forecast.

Horton said American needed to get "competitive labor contracts" with unions — the company says its labor costs are higher than other airlines.

The CEO also said that "opportunists" might try to buy American, sell it or break it up, but he advocated keeping the company together. Analysts have speculated that US Airways Group Inc. could try to buy American.

J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker estimated that AMR will use bankruptcy protection to shrink 10 percent and cut labor and pension costs by $500 million a year, less than the company is targeting. He said AMR will emerge financially "much improved," but not superior to bigger rivals United and Delta.

 

[Kev3188]

Are the Texas based pilots of Eagle different than the rest of the system?

Kinda.



"Eagle vice president Cathy McCann told the Texas Workforce Commission in a letter received Thursday that 119 pilots and 104 flight attendants in the Dallas-Fort Worth area could lose their jobs around Feb. 13. The employees work for Executive Airlines, an Eagle division that operates turboprop planes between U.S. and Caribbean points."

 

[odie01]

In the meantime, we are in the midst of our busiest season and a time when we are all occupied, too, with our own families and holiday plans. Especially at this time, I thank you again for standing tall and continuing to deliver the safe, comfortable and reliable travel experience our customers expect from us. There is simply no better team in the industry and with the conviction and confidence I have heard on my travels the past two weeks, I know we will return American to its rightful place of leadership.


Sincerely,

Tom


I like the way Horton signs this one off, like were good friends or drinkin' buddies. We are going to get cornholed folks, prepare for the worst.

 

[Bob Owens]

Section 1167 applies to railroads only not Airlines, according to Sharon Levine who is one of the top bankruptcy lawyers in the US.

It says RLA, the exclusion for the airlines was added. My question is why didnt you guys even challenge the fact that airline workers were treated differently under the law? If we are under all the restrictions of the RLA shouldnt we also get the protections?

The NLRA has nothing to do with Airlines, why even bother bringing it up, unless you intend to throw people off the truth?

Since 1167 says that contracts under the RLA are not to be abrogated then the law is treating us as if we are under the NLRA, except then they say we cant strike, even though the RLA clearly says we can.

And Bankruptcy law trumps the RLA.

I dont think so. The quack Judge said that once abrogated its as if the contract never existed so thats why we cant strike until we exhaust the Sect 6 process. It doesnt trump the RLA he just skirted around it.

And the courts have shown you cant strike.

Yes you can, you just have to do it without the consent of the court which has shown itself to be biased. This double standard has to be challenged in the same fashion that Plessy vs Furgusen was challenged by Rosa Parks. I'd urged our Union to reach out to yours back in 2002 and pledge support, saying that when the first contract is abrogated the AFL-CIO affilaited Unions should wage a General Strike to protect Airline Workers contracts. I said that if the Labor Movement stands by while companies use bankruptcy to get what they could not at the bargaining table that we were all doomed. I said it would not stop at USAIR and we all would end up igoing through the same thing. My predictions came true. You were the first to fall, then everyone followed, we gave without even going BK. I was against it, I felt that we would have been better off to let the company file if they wanted to so the whole industry would have gone there in one fell swoop and reformation, like what happened in the rails a century earlier would have taken place in this industry. Later my Union cited my calling for a General Strike as behavior unbecoming of an officer in their Kangaroo Court where they removed me from office and suspended me from holding any office for five years. I've been re-elected twice by my peers since.


Here's the thing. I feel that this will be a BK light since AA already got deeper cuts outside of BK than many others got in BK. Your BKs were drawn out so they could ease in the concessions, not take everything all at once, this way you would be less likely to rebel but I think that AA wants to grab a few things from labor and get out, make it quick before we realize what we lost, then whats stopping USAIR from doing it again, then UAL, Delta, etc etc. Every time they cant get what they want from labor, even if they have $4 billion in the bank and are buying over 400 new airplanes, just file BK.

Right now the companys lawyer is shooting his mouth off about the Pension, probably looking to see the reaction. AA is currently preparing its court case for when/if the guys do react. They are scanning and making copies of all their work packs.

 

[wrencher]

It says RLA, the exclusion for the airlines was added. My question is why didnt you guys even challenge the fact that airline workers were treated differently under the law? If we are under all the restrictions of the RLA shouldnt we also get the protections?



Since 1167 says that contracts under the RLA are not to be abrogated then the law is treating us as if we are under the NLRA, except then they say we cant strike, even though the RLA clearly says we can.



I dont think so. The quack Judge said that once abrogated its as if the contract never existed so thats why we cant strike until we exhaust the Sect 6 process. It doesnt trump the RLA he just skirted around it.



Yes you can, you just have to do it without the consent of the court which has shown itself to be biased. This double standard has to be challenged in the same fashion that Plessy vs Furgusen was challenged by Rosa Parks. I'd urged our Union to reach out to yours back in 2002 and pledge support, saying that when the first contract is abrogated the AFL-CIO affilaited Unions should wage a General Strike to protect Airline Workers contracts. I said that if the Labor Movement stands by while companies use bankruptcy to get what they could not at the bargaining table that we were all doomed. I said it would not stop at USAIR and we all would end up igoing through the same thing. My predictions came true. You were the first to fall, then everyone followed, we gave without even going BK. I was against it, I felt that we would have been better off to let the company file if they wanted to so the whole industry would have gone there in one fell swoop and reformation, like what happened in the rails a century earlier would have taken place in this industry. Later my Union cited my calling for a General Strike as behavior unbecoming of an officer in their Kangaroo Court where they removed me from office and suspended me from holding any office for five years. I've been re-elected twice by my peers since.


Here's the thing. I feel that this will be a BK light since AA already got deeper cuts outside of BK than many others got in BK. Your BKs were drawn out so they could ease in the concessions, not take everything all at once, this way you would be less likely to rebel but I think that AA wants to grab a few things from labor and get out, make it quick before we realize what we lost, then whats stopping USAIR from doing it again, then UAL, Delta, etc etc. Every time they cant get what they want from labor, even if they have $4 billion in the bank and are buying over 400 new airplanes, just file BK.

Right now the companys lawyer is shooting his mouth off about the Pension, probably looking to see the reaction. AA is currently preparing its court case for when/if the guys do react. They are scanning and making copies of all their work packs.

Yes I was an AFLCIO member for some 16 years then got stapled to the bottom of the seniority list, yes I feel warm and fuzzy all over.

 

[Duke787]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word-with-lawrence-o%27donnell/45607768#45607768

 

[Buck]

Hon. Sean H. Lane - Calander 12/22 and 12/23

 

[chris perry]

http://www.newson6.com/story/16344396/bankruptcy-woes-trickle-down-to-american-airlines-vendors

Screwing the little guy...

 

[Buck]

Chapter 11 to be "complex"

 

[Buck]

Docket 379

Return of 24 aircraft

 

[BoeingBoy]

Docket 379 is a response to objections to AA's motion to reject 24 aircraft, so it's still the original planes that are parked in storage. So far it's NOT more airplanes but rejecting the stored ones that AA is still paying for are the easy decisions to make.

Jim

 

[TWU informer]

Although we are facing very negative proceedings to our personal lives as a result of the Chapter 11 filing, there will be some entertaining reading from the attorneys.

Example:

Response to Lessor Objection of Motion to Reject Aircraft Leases of 24 aircraft at Roswell

"Paint them White"!
Too Funny

 

[enough already]

Stupid question:
Is it a given that AMR is bankrupt? By simply filing for bankruptcy, can it be denied for whatever reason?