Observation

[2BorNot2B]

For all the boisterious talk from all of you on this USAirways Forum about how your respective Unions " closed the door", "the Consession Stand is Closed" and all the "Management Must Go" rhetoric ... just reflect upon what has just happened.

ALPA has "stepped to the plate" and publicly taken a definitive stand. According to reports Bronner is less than pleased and the "S" might just "hit the fan".

And where are the other Unions??? "AW, Gee Whiz , Well.., Ahhh". So all of your defiant postings are truly negated. Obviously, your postings do not reflect the intentions of your leadership. Unless all the Unions join together this is just one wasted effort! To that end ... get ready for the next round of pay cuts, benefit cuts, work rule changes ... you name it!

"Talk is Cheap .... Actions Speak"

 

[Robc98]

Time will tell whether or not everyone's together on this...I for one could not vote for another cut...Im part of the new "mainline/express" operation and we've been cut to the core....So my vote will be no to more cuts for my department. They can't take anymore from us nor would a cut amount to any kind of substantial savings for this company. But Im sure they'll go after the top earners in this airline again.

 

[D M G]

For all the boisterious talk from all of you on this USAirways Forum about how your respective Unions " closed the door", "the Consession Stand is Closed" and all the "Management Must Go" rhetoric ... just reflect upon what has just happened.

ALPA has "stepped to the plate" and publicly taken a definitive stand. According to reports Bronner is less than pleased and the "S" might just "hit the fan".

And where are the other Unions??? "AW, Gee Whiz , Well.., Ahhh". So all of your defiant postings are truly negated. Obviously, your postings do not reflect the intentions of your leadership. Unless all the Unions join together this is just one wasted effort! To that end ... get ready for the next round of pay cuts, benefit cuts, work rule changes ... you name it!

"Talk is Cheap .... Actions Speak"

You don't know what your talking about.

 

[Seatacus]

Just remember who the unions are really working for....their own paycheck. Without our wages they will not have any dues. So....their goal, to keep our wages intact. They will do what is best for them and we are second on their list. Simple rule, follow the money.

 

[700UW]

The IAM had all ready called for Siegel to resign before ALPA, but I guess us mechanics don't warrant major press coverage.

 

[delldude]

For all the boisterious talk from all of you on this USAirways Forum about how your respective Unions " closed the door", "the Consession Stand is Closed" and all the "Management Must Go" rhetoric ... just reflect upon what has just happened.

ALPA has "stepped to the plate" and publicly taken a definitive stand. According to reports Bronner is less than pleased and the "S" might just "hit the fan".

And where are the other Unions??? "AW, Gee Whiz , Well.., Ahhh". So all of your defiant postings are truly negated. Obviously, your postings do not reflect the intentions of your leadership. Unless all the Unions join together this is just one wasted effort! To that end ... get ready for the next round of pay cuts, benefit cuts, work rule changes ... you name it!

"Talk is Cheap .... Actions Speak"

How are you doing MR.CCY DUDE?
let me point this out to you and you're limited access to resources.......


The Concession Stand is Closed!

To All IAM Members at US Airways:

Dear Sisters and Brothers,

District 141 and 141-M Representatives today met with US Airways at the carrier’s headquarters in Arlington, VA.

CEO David Siegel again spoke about the need to reduce costs, due in part to increased competition from low-cost carriers such as Southwest Airlines and JetBlue. However, Siegel did not make any specific requests to the IAM. It appeared obvious that there is a lack of a strategic plan on the part of US Airways.

While we are willing to discuss plans to permit the carrier to remain a viable employer, the Machinists Union today informed US Airways that we will not enter into any discussions to change the terms of our collective bargaining agreements – the concession stand is closed!

Our members ratified significant cost reductions while the company was in bankruptcy, providing the carrier with the tools needed to return US Airways to profitability. If US Airways’ executives are incapable of successfully running this airline within the framework of our existing collective bargaining agreements, a more capable management team should be employed.

IAM members have made significant sacrifices to save US Airways. The fate of the airline now rests solely in the hands of David Siegel and his management team.

No further discussions are scheduled.

Sincerely and fraternally,


Scotty Ford
President and General Chairman
IAM District 141-M S.R. (Randy) Canale
President and General Chairman
IAM District 141

my union speaks to any and to all.....let it ring loud and true...this is the IAM response!

 

[700UW]

Bob, once again you post wrong information.

All district lodge 141m and 141 General Chairman, President and Secretay-Treasurer have taken the same cuts as US Airways employees and United Airlines Employees, depending on which property they came off of. And ALL 141M and 141 Officers participated in the UAL ESOP and lost all thier money in the stock like the UAL employees.

Bob, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO POST UNTRUTHS?

 

[Bear96]

Dear Scotty Ford, President and General Chairman, IAM District 141-M S.R (Randy) Canale, President and General Chairman, IAM District 141

...

As a customer of US Airways and someone who indirectly contributes to your lifestyle I think these are fair questions.

I don't.

Union leadership doesn't owe squat to customers to the extent it doesn't benefit their members.

Their job is to represent their members. Period.

Customers have lots of choices. If you don't like an airline, go to a competitor. Or go crying to Congress to pass a Passenger Bill of Rights or reregulate the industry or some such nonsense.

As a union member (not IAM) I certainly would not want my union leadership wasting time and energy responding to blather such as this.

And the claim that you "indirectly contribute to [his] lifestyle" is ludicrous. That connection is as attenuated as me claiming I pay taxes and once you retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare, funded by my tax money, I contribute to your lifestyle and therefore you owe some accountability to me. Sorry, I don't buy it. Union leaders are accountable to their dues paying members, and that's all.

 

[4merresrat]

The IAM had all ready called for Siegel to resign before ALPA, but I guess us mechanics don't warrant major press coverage.

Abosulutely, nobody merits any press, or prestige EXCEPT the vaulted pilots. They have all the media attention-and HOT AIR. But I'm sorry, just like the last time when Bronner threatened to disassemble the airline. When push comes to shove and the threat is out there what choice is there but to accept the pay cuts. It's either that or walk the streets and collect unemployment

 

[cavalier]

When push comes to shove and the threat is out there what choice is there but to accept the pay cuts. It's either that or walk the streets and collect unemployment

So what you're saying here is that union membership makes no difference when push comes to shove. Might as well throw out the unions and save the dues money with that attitude.


There is a name for this attitude, but it's Christmas Eve...so Merry Christmas

 

[4merresrat]

So what you're saying here is that union membership makes no difference when push comes to shove. Might as well throw out the unions and save the dues money with that attitude.


There is a name for this attitude, but it's Christmas Eve...so Merry Christmas

Actually, it's not an attitude, just the reality of the situation. I'm not saying there is no use for a union, they are the ones that do the negotiiating. Obviosuly, if they weren't there things could be worse-like some of the non-represented groups before. But I'm just saying, the company has us over a barrel, and when the threat is there to accept or dissapear most people of sound mind have no choice but to accept it. And all this posturing of certain unions etc is great for print, and it certainly is a means to vent, but it's pretty much just HOT AIR! :huh:

 

[delldude]

Abosulutely, nobody merits any press, or prestige EXCEPT the vaulted pilots. They have all the media attention-and HOT AIR. But I'm sorry, just like the last time when Bronner threatened to disassemble the airline. When push comes to shove and the threat is out there what choice is there but to accept the pay cuts. It's either that or walk the streets and collect unemployment

so guy,in our time of trouble and strife you're looking to drive a wedge between labor groups like days gone by?

funny i saw names from both alpa and iam in the media on this issue...and just because cwa or afa isn't right there in the article is by no means an indication they have no opinion on the matter....ben franklin put it right......
we either stand together or assuredly we shall all hang together....or something to that effect...

 

[delldude]

Do you have the testosterone to come on US Aviation and debate or will you send some thugs to ferret me out and "educate" me? I eagerly await your response
Bob

bob...the goon squad days went out in our ranks long ago....
the only thing they do now is buzz peoples houses with low flying 737's and simultaneously dump the lavs.
things are looking up.

 

[PITbull]

For all the boisterious talk from all of you on this USAirways Forum about how your respective Unions " closed the door", "the Consession Stand is Closed" and all the "Management Must Go" rhetoric ... just reflect upon what has just happened.

ALPA has "stepped to the plate" and publicly taken a definitive stand. According to reports Bronner is less than pleased and the "S" might just "hit the fan".

And where are the other Unions??? "AW, Gee Whiz , Well.., Ahhh". So all of your defiant postings are truly negated. Obviously, your postings do not reflect the intentions of your leadership. Unless all the Unions join together this is just one wasted effort! To that end ... get ready for the next round of pay cuts, benefit cuts, work rule changes ... you name it!

"Talk is Cheap .... Actions Speak"

I agree with you 100%. All union must take this stand.

 

[PITbull]

Just remember who the unions are really working for....their own paycheck. Without our wages they will not have any dues. So....their goal, to keep our wages intact. They will do what is best for them and we are second on their list. Simple rule, follow the money.

Sorry to burst your "knowledge" button". But not all union leaders are paid by dues dollars. AFA's MEC get paid by the company, because it is contractual.