NWA ground workers union sues Delta

[jalbalpa]

I do, but you don't seem to. As stated 100 other times, the EFCA doesn't apply to airline workers as we are covered under the RLA.

Once again, this thing about the EFCA is YOUR OPINION...nothing more.

 

[dapoes]

I do, but you don't seem to. As stated 100 other times, the EFCA doesn't apply to airline workers as we are covered under the RLA.

Once again, this thing about the EFCA is YOUR OPINION...nothing more.

Then why is the AFA always talking about it? And what in your opinion are they referring to in the article then? NMB?

 

[Wings]

Dapoes:

Once again, you choose to ignore the facts ....

Airline employees are governed by the Railway Labor Act (amended in 1936 to include the airline industry).

The Employee Free Choice Act ("EFCA") - if passed - will only apply to employees who are governed by the National Labor Relations Act unless Congress also decides to amend the RLA.

The RLA was enacted in 1926 and has only been amended seven times in 82 years, so I don't think any of us are "holding our breath" on this one.

 

[2BlacknBlue]

Dapoes:

Once again, you choose to ignore the facts ....

Airline employees are governed by the Railway Labor Act (amended in 1936 to include the airline industry).

The Employee Free Choice Act ("EFCA") - if passed - will only apply to employees who are governed by the National Labor Relations Act unless Congress also decides to amend the RLA.

The RLA was enacted in 1926 and has only been amended seven times in 82 years, so I don't think any of us are "holding our breath" on this one.

Wings,

Let the ignorance die with the ignorant.

2BnB

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Wings,

Let the ignorance die with the ignorant.

2BnB

Amen!!

 

[jalbalpa]

Best post on this website in quite some time!

 

[Kev3188]

Proof: Article Link


Marianne is a well known AFA activist.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You are using a quote (and not a very good one, at that), as a platform to prove your thesis.

This would be akin to having an ESE in DTW being quoted, and me taking that and using it as representative of the IAM in it's entirety.

I don't mind you posting things I disagree with-far from it. What I am asking for is more definitive sources to back your assertions up. If it's just your opinion, then great! But make sure you say that....

Big picture Kev, Big Picture...
The AFA is hoping/betting that by delaying any pro labor legislation will be easier to pass in the Obama administration. However those hopes are being squashed as any bad press regarding unions in general. Are unions being painted with a broad brush/scapegoat? Of course, but unfortunately thats the world we live in.

See above. Please point me in the direction of an article/press release/whatever that shows this as the *official* AFA policy. And no, the SLTrib article doesn't count.

There were legitimate and ethical wall street/financial institutions that suffering because of the broad strokes painted upon them. Such is life in the real world Kev.

More importantly, there are also millions of "regular" workers (union or not) that are having their careers destroyed by the blind greed that was shown at the top. Why don't you ever discuss this? Why are you so quick to point at unions-across all industries-as the culprit?

What can I say Kev, sometimes you get me all flustered you sly little hamster you.

Now I'm a rodent?

I am backing it up with facts, however in your logic those facts mean nothing. Doesnt take away the fact that they are still...facts.

But you're not. You're using Mrs. Bicksler's quote as the basis for everything...

 

[dapoes]

Dapoes:

Once again, you choose to ignore the facts ....

Airline employees are governed by the Railway Labor Act (amended in 1936 to include the airline industry).

The Employee Free Choice Act ("EFCA") - if passed - will only apply to employees who are governed by the National Labor Relations Act unless Congress also decides to amend the RLA.

The RLA was enacted in 1926 and has only been amended seven times in 82 years, so I don't think any of us are "holding our breath" on this one.

If thats the case then some one needs to send that memo to the AFA as there have numerous occasions where activists are waving that EFCA flag around as their saving grace.

 

[dapoes]

See, this is what I'm talking about. You are using a quote (and not a very good one, at that), as a platform to prove your thesis.

This would be akin to having an ESE in DTW being quoted, and me taking that and using it as representative of the IAM in it's entirety.

Maybe they (AFA) should have thought of that before allowing said FA to chime in on that article. You think AFA didnt approve that message?

I don't mind you posting things I disagree with-far from it. What I am asking for is more definitive sources to back your assertions up. If it's just your opinion, then great! But make sure you say that....

Doesnt matter Kev, you say black, I say white, I say red, you say blue. That probably will never change.

See above. Please point me in the direction of an article/press release/whatever that shows this as the *official* AFA policy. And no, the SLTrib article doesn't count.

It doesn't count? Being a little discriminate on what you want to believe and don't aren't you?

More importantly, there are also millions of "regular" workers (union or not) that are having their careers destroyed by the blind greed that was shown at the top. Why don't you ever discuss this? Why are you so quick to point at unions-across all industries-as the culprit?

Now you are generalizing, the problems we are facing are as a result of long standing (poor) business and political practices. There needs to be transparency at all levels (if that ever happens). My problem in my situation is AFA has been less then transparent and honest so its difficult for me to know what is truth and fiction.

But you're not. You're using Mrs. Bicksler's quote as the basis for everything...

No not really, i relay what i see/hear/read from various sources.

 

[jalbalpa]

Everyone on this board knows, and so does everyone at AFA. So there it is!

Move on to your next lie...

 

[dapoes]

Everyone on this board knows, and so does everyone at AFA. So there it is!

Move on to your next lie...

Listen, if that is truly the case then I will be the first to admit that I am mistaken. However it is true that I have been told different many times by activist/supporters. Even over on the flightattendants.org forum AFA reps and activists have been saying the same thing for months now.

So then that makes me ask what are they referring to in the article then? Why are they stalling until the new administration? Is it they are hoping for a more union friendly NMB?

 

[jalbalpa]

Please visit nwaafa.org,

You will clearly see that AFA states that once the NMB classifies Delta and Northwest as a single transportation system (different from SOC) they will file for an election at the "new" Delta.


The NMB is currently in the process of determining if Delta can be considered a single transportation system, just today AFA received notification from the NMB that additional information has been requested from Delta Air Lines as the information originally provided was insufficient.

 

[Kev3188]

Maybe they (AFA) should have thought of that before allowing said FA to chime in on that article. You think AFA didnt approve that message?

No, I don't. Why would they?

Doesnt matter Kev, you say black, I say white, I say red, you say blue. That probably will never change.

Probably not, but it could make for some more interesting banter if there was more substance to your musings. Hell, at this point I'd just take a Dapoes OP-ED piece; at least it wouldn't be the SL Trib article trotted out again.

While we're at it, feel free to expound on why you think an independent union would be preferable to the AFA.

It doesn't count? Being a little discriminate on what you want to believe and don't aren't you?

Nope.

I'm down for whatever, but that article-and Mrs. Bicksler's quote- have already had a lifetime of holes shot through it. Time for some new material.

Now you are generalizing, the problems we are facing are as a result of long standing (poor) business and political practices. There needs to be transparency at all levels (if that ever happens). My problem in my situation is AFA has been less then transparent and honest so its difficult for me to know what is truth and fiction.

So do your own research (I'm not trying to sound rude here, BTW); I mean *really* do your own research to make sure you're making an educated decision. As far as muddying up the waters of truth, do you not think what the company puts out isn't a bit odd? Don't look at what they're saying, but rather what they're *not* saying. Anyone who has any sort of critical thinking ability can see through it. I haven't read your Inflight "comparison" all the way through yet, but I can tell you the ACS one is quite a piece of work...

No not really, i relay what i see/hear/read from various sources.

Then quit citing the same tired one over and over and over...

 

[dapoes]

No, I don't. Why would they?

So you think when a press release is placed for a newspaper regarding AFA and an AFA Activist that the AFA had no idea what the Activist was doing? IE blindsided? You think the AFA has that lose of control on what they release to the media. Again your being selective on what you choose to believe.

Probably not, but it could make for some more interesting banter if there was more substance to your musings. Hell, at this point I'd just take a Dapoes OP-ED piece; at least it wouldn't be the SL Trib article trotted out again.

Still doesn't take away the credibility of the article. Again your being selective on what you choose to believe.

While we're at it, feel free to expound on why you think an independent union would be preferable to the AFA.

Because they lie.

Nope.

I'm down for whatever, but that article-and Mrs. Bicksler's quote- have already had a lifetime of holes shot through it. Time for some new material.

Still doesn't take away the credibility of the article. Again your being selective on what you choose to believe.

So do your own research (I'm not trying to sound rude here, BTW); I mean *really* do your own research to make sure you're making an educated decision. As far as muddying up the waters of truth, do you not think what the company puts out isn't a bit odd? Don't look at what they're saying, but rather what they're *not* saying. Anyone who has any sort of critical thinking ability can see through it. I haven't read your Inflight "comparison" all the way through yet, but I can tell you the ACS one is quite a piece of work...

I have and as far as I can tell it appears to be factually correct, no one on the NWA has come forth to say otherwise.

Then quit citing the same tired one over and over and over...

Again your being selective on what you choose to believe.

 

[Dignity]

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So then that makes me ask what are they referring to in the article then? Why are they stalling until the new administration? Is it they are hoping for a more union friendly NMB?

Honestly I do not think that is the case at all..you see other people view this situation completely differently(like me...) personally feel representation and seniority are separate, but you see that is just my opinion, just like it is someone elses opinion it is not the case and one issues goes before another and resolved first.

what I have learned over many years, these leaders do what they feel is the right thing for the best interest of not only the group but....the profession as well(and at times issues supported by law). when some are not use to dealing with contracts and law, its easy to see and completely understand how something may appear that it is not(dealing with contracts, legal terms, law and through the courts) is simply how the majority of business works in this country.

Dapoes, this does not imply you do not understand law, because personally I believe you are a very intelligent individual with an obvious opinion on matters! even though some of your comments have made me... :blink: ... and then.... :huh: and maybe a... and most of the times... ...I can clearly see you are at least passionate regarding your ideas(that is admirable in a way, your special little way...) and I appreciate your opinion!

this is just one step in the process(look at it from a different perspective is really all I am attempting to say!) and! that does not mean you agree with it.

being open minded.. it is a good thing!