NWA ground workers union sues Delta

[Dignity]

Yes I have to agree 100%, they are very friendly here. Probably the most friendly out of the all the places I lived in.

 

[North by Northwest]

Exactly, considering I was born in France and raised in Detroit and over the years lived in NYC, Southern Cali, Boston and Maui, before living in ATL for the past 4 years, being of "Southern Heritage" would exclude me of that group. I guess some peoples mental capacity would exclude them of such common sense.

How bizarre...being that France is one of the most heavily unionized industrialized nations on earth. Your little anti union squeal left out the fact that Unions weren't the ones designing TRUCKs instead of the cars Americans preferred. Nor where the unions taking home hundreds of millions in pay and bonuses.

You are going to find it rough working for a unionized company...(even in the office...as you will have to get used to lawsuits for violations of contractual obligations)

Maybe you can find work at a well known ANTI UNION company like WAL MART...they would LUV you there. You still have difficulty answering a direct question with presented with the facts of why a company like GM, FORD and Chrysler are having such difficulty..ie. like the profits being made abroard by UNIONS. Your vapid responses are just a wast of space.

p.s. fyi, I am descended from Southerners and Yankees...with generational respect for what the unions have done for middle class America.

 

[dapoes]

How bizarre...being that France is one of the most heavily unionized industrialized nations on earth. Your little anti union squeal left out the fact that Unions weren't the ones designing TRUCKs instead of the cars Americans preferred. Nor where the unions taking home hundreds of millions in pay and bonuses.

You are going to find it rough working for a unionized company...(even in the office...as you will have to get used to lawsuits for violations of contractual obligations)

Maybe you can find work at a well known ANTI UNION company like WAL MART...they would LUV you there. You still have difficulty answering a direct question with presented with the facts of why a company like GM, FORD and Chrysler are having such difficulty..ie. like the profits being made abroard by UNIONS. Your vapid responses are just a wast of space.

p.s. fyi, I am descended from Southerners and Yankees...with generational respect for what the unions have done for middle class America.

Ok you can relax and climb down from the soap box. Sure France is highly unionized but fraught with corruption, etc so its hardly the perfect model to endorse.

I'm not going to find it rough with anything sweetie. I'm highly adaptable to change however this all plays out union or non-union. My personal preference is non-union. And that may never change, just as your personal preference may never change.

 

[North by Northwest]

Ok you can relax and climb down from the soap box. Sure France is highly unionized but fraught with corruption, etc so its hardly the perfect model to endorse.

I'm not going to find it rough with anything sweetie. I'm highly adaptable to change however this all plays out union or non-union. My personal preference is non-union. And that may never change, just as your personal preference may never change.

That's good to hear. I only have a preference when I know what I am dealing with and am smart enough to learn from experience...union or no union.

There are great places with decent, great leaders to work at WITH unions, and WITHOUT unions. I happen to know from first hand experience that I prefer a union while working with MY old NW leaders (now YOURS)

I see...because FRANCE has one of the highest standards of living in the world, it is FRAUGHT with corruption? And the United States would be what? (over the last 8 years)

Every detour you come up with is full of cheese holes.

 

[southwind]

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Too bad your not down here, so I could show you a lil' Southern hospitality !

 

[Kev3188]

They may have not, but they did have a hand in the issues with GM. Take a hard look at the how decimated the steel industry is. The unions pretty much run them into extinction.

So now we're talking about the steel industry? If there's a debate-related ADD, you have it. When discussing issues, try and stay on topic.

from my personal experience, true "southern people" are the nicest, most friendly people on the planet, will go out of their way to help anyone with class and hospitality.

Interesting. When I lived in MEM, I met some of the rudest, vulgar people ever; I was very suprised.

Note: The people I worked with at the airport did not fit in the above category.

Every detour you come up with is full of cheese holes.

There sure are a lot of them...

Too bad your not down here, so I could show you a lil' Southern hospitality !

This sounds like a threat of physical violence to me. Surely, I've misread this?

 

[dapoes]

So now we're talking about the steel industry? If there's a debate-related ADD, you have it. When discussing issues, try and stay on topic.

Let break it down into small bite size chunks.

1. NWA FA's are represented by AFA.
2. DAL is not represented by AFA.
3. AFA tried a run at DAL in May 2008 but lost miserably.
4. NWA and DAL have now merged.
5. DAL invites NWA to come to the table to discuss seniority integration.
6. AFA says no talky talky, but will sue DAL instead.
7. AFA goes on the record to say they are stalling the process till Obama takes office and signs the EFCA into law making it easier to unionize since they know they are losing support the longer time goes by.
8. In the meantime unions are taking a beating now because of the Auto Industry/UAW debacle.
9. Unions are now being frown upon in the public as well as Washington lawmakers, even those who once supported it.
10. The recent arrest and Rod Blagojevich is only going to exacerbate the poor PR unions have now

because of this nugget in the NYT today:

In the case that led to his arrest, prosecutors say Mr. Blagojevich discussed gaining “a substantial salaryâ€￾ at a nonprofit foundation or organization connected to labor unions, placing his wife on corporate boards where she might earn as much as $150,000 a year and trying to gain promises of campaign money, or even a cabinet post or ambassadorship, for himself.

Im sure that will blow up even more in the coming days.
So anyways...

1. Any pro union legislation will no fail to pass as a result of all the bad press.
2. AFA (or any other union for that matter) fails and will not be able to garner support via the EFCA as they wished.

 

[jalbalpa]

AFA goes on the record to say they are stalling the process till Obama takes office and signs the EFCA into law making it easier to unionize since they know they are losing support the longer time goes by.

Proof, I want proof!

 

[Kev3188]

Let break it down into small bite size chunks.

Hey look who learned how to use bullet points! Fun!

Thanks for the amazingly condescending rundown on what's going on. You still have not clearly explained your stance on the following:

A) How the UAW relates to the AFA campaign at NW/DL

B) Why the "recent bad press" is a direct result of actual behavior. I contend that they've been scapegoated. You say maybe, but keep peddling the same convenient line anyway.

C) Now we have Illinois' governor in the mix. Great. How does he tie in with all of this? So he was aiming to get a job with "ties to labor unions." So what? What if he had tried to get on with an airline as an executive?

Any pro union legislation will not fail to pass as a result of all the bad press.

That's good to hear. I'll be very happy when union legislation "doesn't fail to pass."

Another freudian slip on your part?

AFA (or any other union for that matter) fails and will not be able to garner support via the EFCA as they wished.

EFCA was officially rendered moot awhile ago for this discussions purposes, as it doesn't pertain to people covered under the RLA.


Look, you can post the same stuff all day long if you're into it. Arguing by assertion will get you nowhere with me. If you take a stand, back it up with facts that are more than grasping at straws or other great leaps of logic.

 

[dapoes]

Proof, I want proof!

Proof: Article Link

Marianne Bicksler, who lives in Park City, is the only Delta flight attendant to join a lawsuit filed Nov. 21 by the union that represents Northwest's 8,000 flight attendants.

Bicksler said she joined in order to delay the integration process until after President-elect Barack Obama takes office in January. She said the chance of getting a fair election to decide if Delta's 13,000 non-union attendants and Northwest's 8,000 unionized attendants will be represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA is greater under a Democratic administration.

Marianne is a well known AFA activist.

 

[dapoes]

A) How the UAW relates to the AFA campaign at NW/DL.

B) Why the "recent bad press" is a direct result of actual behavior. I contend that they've been scapegoated. You say maybe, but keep peddling the same convenient line anyway.

Big picture Kev, Big Picture...
The AFA is hoping/betting that by delaying any pro labor legislation will be easier to pass in the Obama administration. However those hopes are being squashed as any bad press regarding unions in general. Are unions being painted with a broad brush/scapegoat? Of course, but unfortunately thats the world we live in.

There were legitimate and ethical wall street/financial institutions that suffering because of the broad strokes painted upon them. Such is life in the real world Kev.

C) Now we have Illinois' governor in the mix. Great. How does he tie in with all of this? So he was aiming to get a job with "ties to labor unions." So what? What if he had tried to get on with an airline as an executive?

Again the press is going to run with that and don't be surprised when that is used against any pro legislation when it hits the floor for debate in Washington.

That's good to hear. I'll be very happy when union legislation "doesn't fail to pass."

Another freudian slip on your part?

What can I say Kev, sometimes you get me all flustered you sly little hamster you.

EFCA was officially rendered moot awhile ago for this discussions purposes, as it doesn't pertain to people covered under the RLA.

Might want to let the AFA in on that.

Look, you can post the same stuff all day long if you're into it. Arguing by assertion will get you nowhere with me. If you take a stand, back it up with facts that are more than grasping at straws or other great leaps of logic.

I am backing it up with facts, however in your logic those facts mean nothing. Doesnt take away the fact that they are still...facts.

 

[tech2101]

Too bad your not down here, so I could show you a lil' Southern hospitality !

An educated, coherent response would have garnered you some small sense of credibility...

and you squandered the opportunity...

Please continue posting.

 

[QA4Jet-A]

An educated, coherent response would have garnered you some small sense of credibility...

and you squandered the opportunity...

Please continue posting.

southwind.... too bad you chose such a demeanor. I would have expected more class from you. Then again, it just shows your up-bringing, and/or your choice of professionalism.

 

[jalbalpa]

Proof: Article Link


Marianne is a well known AFA activist.

Please tell me where ANYWHERE in where "EFCA" is used.

 

[dapoes]

Please tell me where ANYWHERE in where "EFCA" is used.

It doesn't take that much brains to figure out the inference. For what other reason would they be wanting to wait for the Obama administration??? Do you even know what the EFCA is?