Numbers?

[Checking it Out]

Are you attempting to decieve us into believing you and others have not stood out at the street corner holding up signs telling everyone our scope is worthless! Or are you attempting to say Delle did not hold meetings stating he believes are scope has 100% farmout limits? Get a grip on reality! Arbitrator will have a field day with your lies! Does the grievances start at ground zero if, Amfa were to get in at AA!

AA will use all this against Amfa along with past practice at the other carriers amfa represents!

Truth will prevail!

 

[Decision 2004]

Are you attempting to decieve us into believing you and others have not stood out at the street corner holding up signs telling everyone our scope is worthless! Or are you attempting to say Delle did not hold meetings stating he believes are scope has 100% farmout limits? Get a grip on reality! Arbitrator will have a field day with your lies! Does the grievances start at ground zero if, Amfa were to get in at AA!

AA will use all this against Amfa along with past practice at the other carriers amfa represents!

Truth will prevail!

Don't just flap your lips to rhetoric.

Tell us all:

How solid is the SCOPE LANGUAGE?
What is the OUTSOURCE LIMIT?


And what language will we inherit?

 

[Birdman]

Decision, we all know CIO will NEVER give a definitive answer to your questions regarding job protection (Article 42) or outsource limits (Article ???). His whole platform is built on the pretense that AMFA=layoffs. If he admits Article 42 absolutely prevents layoffs his house of cards tumbles. If he admits the language stinks, well, you know. Deceit and his friends are his only allies. This (below) is as close as CIO would come to answering my question(s) as to whether the contract would be abrogated when AMFA becomes our new bargaining agent. Notice, no how, no why. Just nonsense. Rob


Checking It Out
Posted: Jan 11 2004, 08:11 PM
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Actually what will happen is, it will take several years for amfa to come up to speed and by that time the changes will already be done and amfa will be funneling money to the Seham/McCormick group to spend with no accountability.

Amfa=Job loss at AA and = Job gains to 3rd Party Maintenance. History will repeat itself under amfa if they ever were to get in at AA. highly unlikely at this point.

 

[Bob Owens]

Are you attempting to decieve us into believing you and others have not stood out at the street corner holding up signs telling everyone our scope is worthless! Or are you attempting to say Delle did not hold meetings stating he believes are scope has 100% farmout limits? Get a grip on reality! Arbitrator will have a field day with your lies! Does the grievances start at ground zero if, Amfa were to get in at AA!

AA will use all this against Amfa along with past practice at the other carriers amfa represents!

Truth will prevail!

The fact is that even though the language is there, with the TWU it is useless. The language is only good as long as the union is willing to enforce it. Proof is the fact that the language used to say March 1, 2001 but was rolled back to Sept 1998. Members thought they were protected only to see the TWU remove that protection when it was needed. So in other words making it useless. If they would have removed it entirely there would have been no difference because the company had indicated during negotiations its intentions to have a limited layoff. In fact our concessions enabled the company to lay off even more without losing the man hours.

It is clear that despite all the TWUs lies that our concessions did not prioritize saving jobs, it prioritized meeting the companys demands, period. One reason may have been to save the $3 million that the company gives to TWU officials.

The system protection was our only real protection from farmouts, however if the company expanded and as members left through attrition all the new work and work that those who left did could be contracted out. We saw this first hand at JFK when we lost the container repair shop.

The system protection was a measure that only protected those on payroll as of a certain date, a number that would decline over the life of the contract and allow the company to contract out any and all the work they wanted as long as they did not lay off protected workers.

This language, even the system protection, with the TWU enforcing it, is pretty much useless, because if the language gets in the company's way, history has proven that the TWU will change the language to accomodate them. Other examples of TWU Iron clad language was the "Me Too" clause,the promise that mechanics would not be booted out of the shops because OSMs would go into the shops through "attrition", and "the early out package". All of those examples show where this union decieved their members into thinking that they were getting something they were not in order to sell a concessionary contract.

So CIO is continuing in the typical TWU fashion of decieving the members.

 

[A'strike]

Are you attempting to decieve us into believing you and others have not stood out at the street corner holding up signs telling everyone our scope is worthless! Or are you attempting to say Delle did not hold meetings stating he believes are scope has 100% farmout limits? Get a grip on reality! Arbitrator will have a field day with your lies! Does the grievances start at ground zero if, Amfa were to get in at AA!

AA will use all this against Amfa along with past practice at the other carriers amfa represents!

Truth will prevail!

Checking it out,

You still did not answer the question yet If the TWU is sooo Superior please enlighten us on the RO reports of this last January that the TWU Committee disclosed!!! The Whole membership should know these FACTS!

AGAIN
Tell us all:

How solid is the SCOPE LANGUAGE?
What is the OUTSOURCE LIMIT?


And what language will we inherit?

THIS QUESTION SHOULD NOT BE TO HARD TO ANSWER, THE INK SHOULD STILL BE WET ON THE RO COMMITTEE'S Audit.....or did the TWU give up the JANUARY AN JULY AUDIT OF American Airlines BOOKS in a undisclosed letter of agreement like everthing else?

 

[Checking it Out]

Reports come out quarterly, you can veiw the information at your local! The ratio has declined in the last year and is currently around 20% depending on the source you would like to use! The TWU has been at the present volume of work for many years and allows the member to grieve if they see a part outsourced.

Do we farmout any C checks? I believe the amfa wannabe in AFW was telling everyone at a meeting, we farmed out 45% of our C checks!

 

[Decision 2004]

Reports come out quarterly, you can veiw the information at your local! The ratio has declined in the last year and is currently around 20% depending on the source you would like to use! The TWU has been at the present volume of work for many years and allows the member to grieve if they see a part outsourced.

Do we farmout any C checks? I believe the amfa wannabe in AFW was telling everyone at a meeting, we farmed out 45% of our C checks!

20% huh? Which "source" are you using to obtain that number?

 

[A'strike]

Reports come out quarterly, you can veiw the information at your local! The ratio has declined in the last year and is currently around 20% depending on the source you would like to use! The TWU has been at the present volume of work for many years and allows the member to grieve if they see a part outsourced.

Do we farmout any C checks? I believe the amfa wannabe in AFW was telling everyone at a meeting, we farmed out 45% of our C checks!

The TWU has been at the present volume of work for many years and allows the member to grieve if they see a part outsourced.

What is the present volume of work?

20% of all Outscourcing total?

The whole key to your statement is if they see a part outsourced. The members can not keep up with all the individual parts being outsourced, that is the Unions Job! The problem is that the Union should be informing the members on the outsourcing from the RO Committee and when the company COMMITS to inform TWU on work to be outsourced . Why would you not release the report to the members and show what the hard facts are in black and white, good or bad? Telling us that we have not changed the present volume of work for years tells us nothing. The figure of 20% is from which sources?

The sources we need are from 1.) the companies books from July 2003 and January 2004 and 2.) Present volume of work has not changed from when to when? 3.) commitment notification letters to TWU on outsourcing to present date.
The word "Years" does not cut it!!!!

Produce this 20% fact in black and white and show all other Unions on How you are the best union in the Industry when it comes to outsourcing work!!!!

Yes we do outsource "C-check"- 80's at AAR in OK CITY.....You should Know that?!

 

[Bob Owens]

The TWU has been at the present volume of work for many years and allows the member to grieve if they see a part outsourced.

The right to grieve is not the same as the right to the work. The basis of the grievance has to be that the company did not allow the union to show that we could do it cheaper before they sent it out. In other words before the company sends the work out the contract mandates that the union be given the opportunity to beg for the work. With the TWU we won the right to beg.