Nonrev Travel

[Mach85ER]

Depends, according to AA, it was the APA complaining they didn't want AMT's in the cockpit. According to the APA, they know nothing. Acording to the twu, it was the FAA and the APA. According to the FAA, all airmen are allowed to ride jumpseat, A&P's are airmen and are currently flying jumpseat at many airlines. I really don't care what the excuse, it's a concession that we never got credit for. What I do figure what happened is some FSC twu presidents complained about it and the rest is for show. The old, "if we can't do it, you can't do it."

I know nothing about the politics involved. APA's response might be concerned with the health of pilot agreements with other carriers if the AA JS becomes unreliable for them, and the fact that we paid for it in past negotitations.

I would support making it available for AMT's based on the Captains discretion.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The way I understand it, the AA or AE flight attendant who is jumpseat qualified gets a cabin seat behind any SW employee and ahead of any other airline employee (you). In the reverse situation, a SW flight attendant who is jumpseat qualified gets on an AA/AE aircraft behind any AA/AE employee but ahead of any employee from another airline.

The way the agreement was worded is a bit misleading since this doesn't concern anyone actually riding on the jumpseat, but rather it concerns those who are qualified (that is, active FA's) to ride the jumpseat. The advantage for the commuter is a slightly higher boarding priority and not paying any service charge at all.

As a one-time NYC-STL commuter, anything that will help is welcome.

MK

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Thanx Mike,

That's pretty much how I was interpeting it.

(Unusual for me), but my initial reaction was, "If I get bumped by a F/A who's trying desperately to hold onto a full time job, during these BRUTAL times, "So be it" !!

NH/BB's

 

[DFWCC]

I know nothing about the politics involved. APA's response might be concerned with the health of pilot agreements with other carriers if the AA JS becomes unreliable for them, and the fact that we paid for it in past negotitations.

I would support making it available for AMT's based on the Captains discretion.

I would support making it available for FSC's based on sneiority.
To me this is a crock of BS. We already went through the pilots wanting a higher boarding priority
for themselves and their family. That was, is, and will always be BS.
Now FA's want boarding priorityover a non-rev who has paid a ZED or ID90 fare. What about the AMT or FSC who might live in STL and commutes back to DFW?

 

[AMFAMAN]

I know nothing about the politics involved. APA's response might be concerned with the health of pilot agreements with other carriers if the AA JS becomes unreliable for them, and the fact that we paid for it in past negotitations.

I would support making it available for AMT's based on the Captains discretion.

The keyword in your post is negotiations...well this is how we got the jumpseat authorization and now it's language in the contract that is there but can't be used. It was always captains discretion until we got the language in order to make it easier for the gate agents and all involved. I do believe our language puts us last in line for the jumpseat so other airlines wouldn't complain. It is simply a way to give a person a ride when all other seats are taken.

 

[Mach85ER]

I would support making it available for FSC's based on sneiority.
To me this is a crock of BS. We already went through the pilots wanting a higher boarding priority
for themselves and their family. That was, is, and will always be BS.
Now FA's want boarding priorityover a non-rev who has paid a ZED or ID90 fare. What about the AMT or FSC who might live in STL and commutes back to DFW?

I would be suprised if this was the case DFWCC. Pilot jumpseaters sitting in the cabin have always gotten a seat after rev/non-rev/ID90/ZED seat assignments and even come after stowaways

I would expect the FA jumpseat agreement to be no different.

 

[Bob Owens]

The keyword in your post is negotiations...well this is how we got the jumpseat authorization and now it's language in the contract that is there but can't be used. It was always captains discretion until we got the language in order to make it easier for the gate agents and all involved. I do believe our language puts us last in line for the jumpseat so other airlines wouldn't complain. It is simply a way to give a person a ride when all other seats are taken.

Funny how when there is a plane broken somewhere they dont mind letting us ride jumpseat.

To tell the truth other than at takeoff or landing I'd rather sit in the back in a more comfortable seat.

I think even with the new language it was still up to the Captain and I thought that you had to be a liscenced airman to ride in the cockpit.

 

[IORFA]

Are you sure about that Mach85ER? I thought OA pilots were put on the standby list as a D6. If I am not mistaken, and very well could be, that would put them above an ID-90 and ZED fare. Although, like I said, I could be wrong. Anyone know where the retired TWA people go? I know the are listed as TWR, just not sure where on the totem pole they land.

 

[Mach85ER]

Are you sure about that Mach85ER? I thought OA pilots were put on the standby list as a D6. If I am not mistaken, and very well could be, that would put them above an ID-90 and ZED fare.

No, I don't know for sure. What throws a wrench into my thinking is OAL pilots in the post 9/11 enviroment.
That also ends my detailed discussion of the procedures

 

[IORFA]

Detailed procedures of the standby list? Oh my, aren't we a little too paranoid?

 

[TWAnr]

Anyone know where the retired TWA people go? I know the are listed as TWR, just not sure where on the totem pole they land.

I know for a fact that they board after the D3s. I am not sure, but I think they do have priority over OAL.

 

[Mach85ER]

Detailed procedures of the standby list? Oh my, aren't we a little too paranoid?

No, it's a public chatboard and I'm not the gatekeeper of jumpseat information along with who sits where and the priority.

Personally, after what we've gone through collectively in the last few years, and the threat that is still exists, I'm think I'm just being a little prudent

 

[Skymess]

In Res:

F*PSM/STANDBY/CODES

To check each number priority type F*1 or whatever other number you want to view.
You can type F*1-5 to see all. No more than 5 at a time.

Used to be easier. It was N*codes and would show the boarding priority of each. Maybe there is an easier way than the PSM but I don't know it.

 

[IORFA]

Once again I ask why so paranoid about discussing the priority order of a standby list? What in anyway could some terrorist use that sort of information? Are they gonna try to list themselves on a flight with a higher priority than say a D3 or something? If they have access to a non-rev ticket, then the person who gave it to them could very easily explain their priority to them. Geeze and I bet you are locked in the cockpit with your little gun as a FFDO aren't you? Do you get spooked everytime the bathroom door closes also?

 

[Skymess]

Once again I ask why so paranoid about discussing the priority order of a standby list? What in anyway could some terrorist use that sort of information? Are they gonna try to list themselves on a flight with a higher priority than say a D3 or something? If they have access to a non-rev ticket, then the person who gave it to them could very easily explain their priority to them. Geeze and I bet you are locked in the cockpit with your little gun as a FFDO aren't you? Do you get spooked everytime the bathroom door closes also?

Hate the FFDO program and FFDO's. They are such wussys.

 

[Mach85ER]

IORFA,

I thought I made it clear that number 1, I really don´t know, and number 2, I felt that jumpseat boarding info was best left off a public forum. I rarely jumpseat, so maybe you might ask an agent on your next leg about the priority. I have no desire to inadvertantly reveal J/S information no matter how trivial we both might feel the information might be. I know it's the internet, but someone thinking otherwise in this job could be considered a total D#$@%ss.

Look back. We went from "why so paranoid" to "paranoid" along with another nutcase alledging that I'm now an armed nutcase hiding from lav noises.

Hate the FFDO program and FFDO's. They are such wussys.

I think this is an example of "thread creep".
Personally, I've admired those that have taken a week of their time to do something that they feel will decrease the possibility of another airliner attack.