Nobody Would Miss Them.....!

[LiveInAHotel]

I am at a loss to understand why plumbers make so much more than electricians.

They charge extra for the "crack"! 😉

 

[Rusty Bullethole]

May I suggest that you visit this site TWA Flight 843

Point taken......

 

[goingboeing]

They charge extra for the "crack"! 😉

They make more because they are not willing to work for cheaper wages and all the "cracks" run the same direction.

 

[flydcoop]

I find it very interesting that I never received a response to this very direct post.

I will accept what is wrong with my workgroup (and I do know what is wrong with my workgroup) if you can admit that many in management are not there on merit and deservedness alone.

I know you know names, but it could jeopardize the future now, couldn't it?

That's the beauty of a union...they are not hamstringed by a current administration or General Manager (though that is debatable given recent events).

Coop

Oneflyer,

That is a very idealistic view, meritocracy. It does not exist in AA management based on what I saw during my time there. I watched jobs "created" for people, thanks to the buddy system. When the RIF came (with NO recall), I watched incredibly brilliant people go to the unemployment line while the "skaters" remained onboard. If you were not a direct threat to your superior, you stayed on.

I hated going to work every day as an analyst. My department killed a tree a day with paperwork but no one wanted to address the real issue (YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CLERKS). Just create a pretty colored report in Excel and I quote, "put your name on something".

I put my name on something, an application for flight attendant.

I chose to be a flight attendant. If that didn't happen, I was going to downgrade to be a gate agent again.

Unions are not perfect, management is not either. I chose a Union because it is more "fair" than management. I understand why many decisions are made (from a management standpoint) but a little goodwill would go a long way.

Flight attendants are a frightening work group. They are incredibly resourceful. Management cannot predict how we think. Pilots are pretty easy to predict but not flight attendants. Most F/As have a 4 year degree and probably something on the side. Many are pursuing a Nursing degree as I type this.

I work in this industry because I love aviation. After 8-1/2 years in the industry, I still pause to watch planes take off and land. Even if I complain on a BB, I still don't dread going to work. It's the rare person who doesn't despise their job.

I took a $10,000/yr paycut to not despise showing up for work. I don't regret it.

Coop

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[NewHampshire Black Bears]

flydcoop;
A "PM" coming your way SHORTLY !!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
NH/BB's

 

[Garfield1966]

I hav a few in Crew skd / SOC I would like to see gone.

 

[Oneflyer]

I find it very interesting that I never received a response to this very direct post.

I will accept what is wrong with my workgroup (and I do know what is wrong with my workgroup) if you can admit that many in management are not there on merit and deservedness alone.

I'm not sure what you're looking for from me, but no I can't admit that many in management are not there on merit and deseredness alone. I've worked in 3 distinctly different groups at AA and never did I get my job because of anything more than persistance and my qualifications.

Does AA have a lot of hanger oners? Yes. Would I like to see these people gone, sure, but I've never seen a someone get a position or get fired because of anything other than their qualifications. I will qualify this though, I don't work in the operation or in the ops management groups, I can't really comment on the people over there and I will readily admit that some of their decisions leave me shaking my head.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I've never seen a someone get a position because of anything other than their qualifications.

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WOW! Wish I could say that. We have all kinds here.

 

[jimntx]

Everyone just sit tight. The thinning of the management herd is upon us. Arpey has ordered a cut of 350 managers (or manager equivalents) system-wide. 187 of those managers will come from DFW alone (airport and Centerport combined).

By management equivalent I mean the cost of one manager. For instance, if a manager who's job is on the line costs the company $60,000/yr in salary and benefits and that manager's boss can cut $60,000 from somewhere else in their management budget, then the manager gets to keep his/her job.

I understand that it is being expressed to each department as a percentage of total budget (say 8%), and that the cuts have to come from management. This makes the second time that Arpey has called for a cut in management overhead. I hear that the departments that chose to ignore his call the first time are being told that they have to cut the percentage plus some extra amount. You go, Gerard.

 

[Oneflyer]

Arpey has ordered a cut of 350 managers

I'd love to know where you got that piece of information.

My group got notices this week that there will be lay-offs. January 8th is the date.

 

[Imagolfer]

I'd love to know where you got that piece of information.

My group got notices this week that there will be lay-offs. January 8th is the date.

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Oneflyer, have you heard if Stand in Steads will be offered? I think they will be offered prior to the layoffs, but not sure the timeframe

 

[jimntx]

IIRC, yes Stand in Steads will be offered.

 

[DFWCC]

Oneflyer, have you heard if Stand in Steads will be offered? I think they will be offered prior to the layoffs, but not sure the timeframe

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As far as "stand in stead", it is being offered on the ranp to fleet svc. there is open enrollment until Dec 5th or 8th. So far only 9 ( as I heard from admin) have opted out of @2800 fsc at DFW. I have heard they are offering a 3 & 3 package at hdq. that I think would draw a lot more interest.

 

[Oneflyer]

Oneflyer, have you heard if Stand in Steads will be offered? I think they will be offered prior to the layoffs, but not sure the timeframe

Yes, they are taking indications of interest right now. The time frame was really short, I think by the end of this week for one package and then 2 more weeks for the other option.

From what I understand from other people in my group, the severence is often better than the Stand in Stead package so most people just wait and hope to get laid off, as odd as that may sound.

 

[eolesen]

By management equivalent I mean the cost of one manager. For instance, if a manager who's job is on the line costs the company $60,000/yr in salary and benefits and that manager's boss can cut $60,000 from somewhere else in their management budget, then the manager gets to keep his/her job.

[post="200941"][/post]​

That's not how it works. We have separate budgets headcount, non-salary, and IT. If your headcount budget needs to be cut by 5%, you can't offset it by reducing your non-salary budget by an additional X%.

I understand that it is being expressed to each department as a percentage of total budget (say 8%), and that the cuts have to come from management. This makes the second time that Arpey has called for a cut in management overhead. I hear that the departments that chose to ignore his call the first time are being told that they have to cut the percentage plus some extra amount. You go, Gerard.

Different groups in HDQ do have different targets, but the overall average seems to be between 5% and 10% for management. And this really isn't the second call -- most groups at HDQ have been trying to keep headcount down 3-5% by not filling vacancies unless absolutely necessary. Those who didn't do that will have to lay off more people (i.e. we had to reduce 5%, but also had 4% attrition last year, and didn't fill any vacancies, so we only have to reduce by 1%).