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Checking it Out
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Buck If you would take the time to attend Union Meetings you would know the Union Hall was put on hold several months ago.
As far as the Banquet room, ask Delle why he is renting a Room to hold raid meetings while 35% of his membership is on layoff statis?
I believe the Membership at NW has begged for representation for years and to hold off spending funds on a foolish venture as trying to organize AA and USAir!
Amfa has been at this point many times and will again fail! If you would listen to the members the majority keeps telling you to get lost!
As far as the Banquet room, ask Delle why he is renting a Room to hold raid meetings while 35% of his membership is on layoff statis?
I believe the Membership at NW has begged for representation for years and to hold off spending funds on a foolish venture as trying to organize AA and USAir!
Amfa has been at this point many times and will again fail! If you would listen to the members the majority keeps telling you to get lost!
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After the membership voted three times against the new union hall and the E-board turned it over to the building committee and the membership lost the democracy involved, why would it be put on hold?Checking it Out said:
So while on hold it is okay to spend dues money wothout the vote of the membership to rent hotel banquet halls ?
I do not need to ask Delle anything. I am concerned what the TWU is doing behind the memberships back.
The only membershipat NW that was begging for representation for years was the membership before AMFA was on the property.
Why is it that you always deflect your answers toward another carrier?
Can you not answer for the antics of the TWU?
Viper
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CIO,
If AMFA is doing such poor job at NWA, Then where is the TWU card drive at this point. The way you talk, I figure you should have at least 2600 cards by now. Since the TWU is on the cutting edge of aircraft maintenance representation, how are all of there card drives at SWA, UAL, DAL, etc. doing? :blink:
If AMFA is doing such poor job at NWA, Then where is the TWU card drive at this point. The way you talk, I figure you should have at least 2600 cards by now. Since the TWU is on the cutting edge of aircraft maintenance representation, how are all of there card drives at SWA, UAL, DAL, etc. doing? :blink:
LMAO Where did you hear this? Why would a membership not want more members to support their cause? Get a life!!! Surely you can come up with something better than that. ROFLMAO
Don't know how to count either do you? AMFA has never been to 48% of craft and class. The mechanics at an overwhelming card signing percentage. The numbers are going straight up, pull your head out of the sand dude!!! Amazing how far out of touch you are, just freakin AMAZING!!!
AMFA has the best BS in field. Why is the ecstatically selected Dubya still securely president and there is no move for impeachment? The public has way too much patience unless they are stirred up by demagogues, like the recall move in CA, or the organizers of AMFA, or the imminent WMD destruction threat that is still undiscovered.Viper said:
The sad thing is that the guy (indicted car thief?) in CA will not run for the office he is forcing Gray Davis out off, and according to the scuttlebut on the 'net, at UAL the AMFA pusher don't seem to be stepping up to the plate either.
It is so much fun to break dishes, but its a #####(female dog) having to clean the kitchen every day ain't it? At one informational the AMFA boys copped out by saying that would never run for office and show their leadership ability except under AMFA. Could one hold them to it?
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So is it okay to spend dues money wothout the vote of the membership to rent hotel banquet halls ?
Why is it that you always deflect your answers toward another carrier or "Dubya"?
You are so proud of the fact that, as you say "You voted for that brother"
This country voted for Dubya, but youwill deflect on that also.
Can you not answer for the antics of the TWU?
Why is it that you always deflect your answers toward another carrier or "Dubya"?
You are so proud of the fact that, as you say "You voted for that brother"
This country voted for Dubya, but youwill deflect on that also.
Can you not answer for the antics of the TWU?
Yo AMFA boys,
Viper,
Get in touch with reality! The IAM is currently mounting a card drive at NWA, do you think the 4500 laid –off mechanics signatures will be enough to get a real union back in place there? If they do, do you think that the old contract language and supporting arbitration cases could help to get all the work back that the AMFA language has lost?
AMFAMAN,
Listening to the membership? You guys harp, harp, harp but you play no song! If you and all your other cronies would take your whiney butts down to the hall, get involved and help the rest of the membership run this union, you wouldn’t have a reason to cry! But what fun would that be, right? Even the leaders of this union are volunteers, they started off as a normal member just like everyone else. The difference is, these folks chose NOT to let someone else run THEIR Union. People like you, likely do not vote and if you do feel like that’s the extent of your needed involvement or responsibility and because another group walks up and whispers everything you want to hear in your ear, you take it as gospel. The TWU is about representation, we are about truth, we are about activism, and we are about working people. So quit expecting your union to spoon-feed you (although some is done) straighten your spine and stand a post! Everyone has something to contribute! If you and your boys had been “involved†in being constructive instead of destructive, we’d all be better off.
Rusty,
CIO didn’t hear “this, he read “thisâ€, it came from two letters written by Local 33 Vice President, Ted Ludwig where asks Delle to curtail organizing efforts and concentrate on curing the outsourcing issues. You might want to educate yourself, it might surprise you that AMFA thinks organizing is more important than getting back jobs that they’ve helped to lose.
Buck(Larry),
Yes it is OK, read the by-laws…you vote on them! People like you and AMFAMAN aren’t strong enough union members to run your union effectively! I’d be embarrassed if I were you Buck, You’ve probably more seniority than anyone that posts here and after all these years still choose to be an “armchair quarterbackâ€. You’re always in the background with your own agenda. Tell me, why don’t you “take the lay-offs†instead of recommending that someone else does? You and Dave both, you “talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walkâ€, you won’t! There’s only one reason why, it’s because when it comes to offering up someone else’s misery, you’re all for it, but if it’s your own, you’re a coward!
Viper,
Get in touch with reality! The IAM is currently mounting a card drive at NWA, do you think the 4500 laid –off mechanics signatures will be enough to get a real union back in place there? If they do, do you think that the old contract language and supporting arbitration cases could help to get all the work back that the AMFA language has lost?
AMFAMAN,
Listening to the membership? You guys harp, harp, harp but you play no song! If you and all your other cronies would take your whiney butts down to the hall, get involved and help the rest of the membership run this union, you wouldn’t have a reason to cry! But what fun would that be, right? Even the leaders of this union are volunteers, they started off as a normal member just like everyone else. The difference is, these folks chose NOT to let someone else run THEIR Union. People like you, likely do not vote and if you do feel like that’s the extent of your needed involvement or responsibility and because another group walks up and whispers everything you want to hear in your ear, you take it as gospel. The TWU is about representation, we are about truth, we are about activism, and we are about working people. So quit expecting your union to spoon-feed you (although some is done) straighten your spine and stand a post! Everyone has something to contribute! If you and your boys had been “involved†in being constructive instead of destructive, we’d all be better off.
Rusty,
CIO didn’t hear “this, he read “thisâ€, it came from two letters written by Local 33 Vice President, Ted Ludwig where asks Delle to curtail organizing efforts and concentrate on curing the outsourcing issues. You might want to educate yourself, it might surprise you that AMFA thinks organizing is more important than getting back jobs that they’ve helped to lose.
Buck(Larry),
Yes it is OK, read the by-laws…you vote on them! People like you and AMFAMAN aren’t strong enough union members to run your union effectively! I’d be embarrassed if I were you Buck, You’ve probably more seniority than anyone that posts here and after all these years still choose to be an “armchair quarterbackâ€. You’re always in the background with your own agenda. Tell me, why don’t you “take the lay-offs†instead of recommending that someone else does? You and Dave both, you “talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walkâ€, you won’t! There’s only one reason why, it’s because when it comes to offering up someone else’s misery, you’re all for it, but if it’s your own, you’re a coward!
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Viper,
Get in touch with reality! The IAM is currently mounting a card drive at NWA, do you think the 4500 laid –off mechanics signatures will be enough to get a real union back in place there?
Jake,
I asked a simple question: What is the card count for the TWU/IAM at NWA or any other airline? If things are so bad why doesn't TWU organize all of the airlines that AMFA has? If it is so great to be TWU you would think that these mechanics would love to change. Im sure that 4500 mechs at any airline would be a good start. There is no AFL/CIO umbrella of protection to stop them. But nowhere does it appear that anyone is making an effort. On the other hand the airlines are joining AMFA at a much faster pace. You TWU supporters say that AMFA is great at raiding in times of turmoil, what turmoil was at SWA when they came in? I've seen what the TWU has done. I am in touch with reality, its time for you to see the writing on the wall. It looks like this:
[AMFA IS COMING]
Get in touch with reality! The IAM is currently mounting a card drive at NWA, do you think the 4500 laid –off mechanics signatures will be enough to get a real union back in place there?
Jake,
I asked a simple question: What is the card count for the TWU/IAM at NWA or any other airline? If things are so bad why doesn't TWU organize all of the airlines that AMFA has? If it is so great to be TWU you would think that these mechanics would love to change. Im sure that 4500 mechs at any airline would be a good start. There is no AFL/CIO umbrella of protection to stop them. But nowhere does it appear that anyone is making an effort. On the other hand the airlines are joining AMFA at a much faster pace. You TWU supporters say that AMFA is great at raiding in times of turmoil, what turmoil was at SWA when they came in? I've seen what the TWU has done. I am in touch with reality, its time for you to see the writing on the wall. It looks like this:
[AMFA IS COMING]
Ken MacTiernan
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As far as the Banquet room, ask Delle why he is renting a Room to hold raid meetings while 35% of his membership is on layoff statis?
CIO, you keep reaffirming that you are a twu stool. AMFA does not "raid". They represent a belief in an open democratic craft union for skilled professional AMTs. They don't go to airline AMTs, airline AMTs go to AMFA. As for the lay offs you mention what makes you say it is AMFA's fault? Is the twu fighting to get laid off AMTs back to work? No! Will laid off twu AMTs get to come back to full pay and benefits when they return? No! Will AMFA AMTs? Yes!
Now post why we should stay with the twu. Can you do that? No!
CIO, you keep reaffirming that you are a twu stool. AMFA does not "raid". They represent a belief in an open democratic craft union for skilled professional AMTs. They don't go to airline AMTs, airline AMTs go to AMFA. As for the lay offs you mention what makes you say it is AMFA's fault? Is the twu fighting to get laid off AMTs back to work? No! Will laid off twu AMTs get to come back to full pay and benefits when they return? No! Will AMFA AMTs? Yes!
Now post why we should stay with the twu. Can you do that? No!
Checking it Out
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CIO, you keep reaffirming that you are a twu stool. AMFA does not "raid". They represent a belief in an open democratic craft union for skilled professional AMTs. They don't go to airline AMTs, airline AMTs go to AMFA. As for the lay offs you mention what makes you say it is AMFA's fault? Is the twu fighting to get laid off AMTs back to work? No! Will laid off twu AMTs get to come back to full pay and benefits when they return? No! Will AMFA AMTs? Yes!
Now post why we should stay with the twu. Can you do that? No!
Ken are you living in a fantasy world? Go read local 33 by-laws about the closed meetings they conduct? Or the requirement about a minimum of 25 members to be present to have a say so in the voting process!
Or how about Mr. Reis and his Letters of agreements circumventing the seniority rights of the Inspectors when the first page of the Amfa constitution states otherwise.
Now your last comments about Layoffs beats the cake! Our Scope Clause is there to protect us and is working good! As for Amfa I stand by my claim of the amount Amfa has on layoff status and started in 99’ when McCormick/Seham took over control.
The TWU is working Hard to preserve our rights and has done a good! The RO committee at the bases are working to bring work in-house and I would not be surprised to see them go after work amfa is allowing to be farmed out! Since you believe in an organization that believes in eliminating jobs and less about the members they represent, it would be great to see a NW plane in the hanger at AA!
Now post why we should stay with the twu. Can you do that? No!
Ken are you living in a fantasy world? Go read local 33 by-laws about the closed meetings they conduct? Or the requirement about a minimum of 25 members to be present to have a say so in the voting process!
Or how about Mr. Reis and his Letters of agreements circumventing the seniority rights of the Inspectors when the first page of the Amfa constitution states otherwise.
Now your last comments about Layoffs beats the cake! Our Scope Clause is there to protect us and is working good! As for Amfa I stand by my claim of the amount Amfa has on layoff status and started in 99’ when McCormick/Seham took over control.
The TWU is working Hard to preserve our rights and has done a good! The RO committee at the bases are working to bring work in-house and I would not be surprised to see them go after work amfa is allowing to be farmed out! Since you believe in an organization that believes in eliminating jobs and less about the members they represent, it would be great to see a NW plane in the hanger at AA!
"The TWU is working Hard to preserve our rights and has done a good!" job at F%*&#@g it up
Thats right just ask the 3000 mechanics who did not get ballotts!
Just ask those who had better than March 1, 2001 who are now on the street!
Just ask those who will have NO Vacation till 2005!
Just ask the 1000 members of Local 562 who had their elected officers removed by the International.
Just ask the 4500 line mechanics who will be assigned to work every holiday at half pay!
Just ask the $16,000 M&R who get half pay for the first two sicks days per occurance.
Just ask the majority of Title I that have filled out cards for an election!
Thats right just ask the 3000 mechanics who did not get ballotts!
Just ask those who had better than March 1, 2001 who are now on the street!
Just ask those who will have NO Vacation till 2005!
Just ask the 1000 members of Local 562 who had their elected officers removed by the International.
Just ask the 4500 line mechanics who will be assigned to work every holiday at half pay!
Just ask the $16,000 M&R who get half pay for the first two sicks days per occurance.
Just ask the majority of Title I that have filled out cards for an election!
