New Pilot TA breakdown

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

It is so ironic that you droned on and on attempting to pretend that profit sharing did not deliver anything of value of value for DL employeees and now you are full court press on trying to convince DL employees that the benefit which you said never existed is going to cost them enormously when DL alters it.

Oh the irony.

 

[southwind]

But Kev said customers fund raises at DL, will you 2 please make up your minds and stick to it and not make up BS to further your agenda of union domination over the world!

 

[Kev3188]

But Kev said customers fund raises at DL...

Where do you think they come from?

 

[southwind]

Where do you think they come from?

OK....let me get this straight. According to you and 700's chart above ( just one of the millions he has btw)

1. Pilot raises are funded by all other work groups.
2. Your raises are funded by customers.

Does that pretty much sum it up?

 

[Kev3188]

No.

 

[WorldTraveler]

then restate what you believe, Kev.

We have repeatedly heard that DL non-contract employees will give raises to fund pilot raises despite the fact that DL mgmt said that the 2012 pilot CBA was cost-neutral. We have heard that DL pilots are supposed to disproportionately benefit from changes to profit sharing despite the fact that all DL employees get the same percentage of their salary in profit sharing.

Help us undersatnd your position.

Is it not possible that DL, who is no more thrilled to have to deal with unions with its pilots, wants to make sure the pilots see non-contract employees winning MORE than pilots?

You didn't have to give up anything in scope in order to gain pay raises and yet the latest pilot CBA included large RJ increases - which pilots do not like - in order to get their pay raises. Pilots will give up some bidding priority for co-pilots as part of the training process (which also exists at AA and UA) as well as increased work hours and sick time revisions in order to get the pay raises in 2015.

what have non-contract employees given up that they didn't have before they got the pay raise and what will they give up?

btw, the latest MIT data is out for 2014 and as expected, AA employees saw cuts in pay, DL employees overall showed the largest increases in average compensation, and DL airport personnel are not only the highest paid compared to their legacy peers but are now within a single digit percent of their peers at WN.

 

[southwind]

No.

OK....let's try this!
Did you state that yours and my raises are funded by customers? Yes or no will do.

Does the chart above, only one of thousands at 700's unofficial IAM headquarters, in his basement, state that part of the pilots raises are being funded by other work groups?....another yes or no will do!

 

[Kev3188]

You are not only conflating two different things, but actually managing to mess one of them up...

 

[700UW]

He isnt the brightest bulb in the box, and he is three cans short of a six pack.

 

[southwind]

You are not only conflating two different things, but actually managing to mess one of them up...

Its OK. I understand that making people believe that the little people are funding the pilot's raise by cutting into their profit sharing , while trying to also make them believe that a raise for the little people would not affect profit sharing for everyone and is just the unions way of pitting us against each other (union vs.non-union)!

In the end, "EVERYONES" raises come from the same source.........."CUSTOMERS"!

Problem is, getting you to admit it!

BTW, when was you last raise? Did I fund it, by you cutting into my profit sharing or did customers fund it?

 

[700UW]

Delta Air Lines: Wait, Its Pilots Might Vote No?
 
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2015/07/09/delta-air-lines-uh-oh/

 

[WorldTraveler]

a no vote is always possible.

as to the comment that "Delta and its pilots have a strong relationship and we believe the company and union will be able to strike a deal before the amendable date," Richard Anderson made it clear that there will be no follow-on negotiations if the TA is rejected.

Given that WN's large labor groups are all years past their amendable and are coming up wiht fairly small increases and no retro, the chances are high that Richard will follow the same strategy that Gary Kelley has taken at WN so it isn't a given that a rejection will result in a quick return to the table.

and it can also be said that WN's labor groups generally have good relations with their company.

 

[700UW]

Not just a no vote, a resounding NO.
 

 

[700UW]

And now here come the threats:
 

Comment: “Should you reject this TA, we would propose to reengage with Mr. Anderson at the earliest opportunity as truly equal partners…”
 
Mr. Anderson has also issued a public statement addressing that possibility: “Failure to ratify the agreement will lead to a very different and longer path that will not result in a better deal. Uncertainty will prevail, and that will not be good for anybody.”
 
We won’t extrapolate on his statement. It is simply another factor - among many - that each of us will have to consider when we vote. We are providing you with facts. No emotion. No rhetoric. No speculation. Just the facts.