New Field Trip rules?

[slipnutwrench]

I will not even consider going on any  field trip for this company (LUS) under existing contract rules. No double time is a deal breaker right off the bat for me. In the past, I was always amazed how well most field trips went..........until the logbook was signed. Then all of a sudden, Mx control and the rest of Mgt forgot that we existed.  No thanks! Never was an Overtime addict to begin with. 

 

[Mach85ER]

Hackman,
I'm concerned about both issues. For a very long time I've seen US flagged airline jets in the barns of Latin America.
 
Long duty days while performing critical tasks are a threat to safety.
 
"More concerned" about the outsourcing threat to safety?
 
BS my friend, they are equally as bad. I might even weigh the duty day issue even worse.

 

[MetalMover]

Hackman,
I'm concerned about both issues. For a very long time I've seen US flagged airline jets in the barns of Latin America.
 
Long duty days while performing critical tasks are a threat to safety.
 
"More concerned" about the outsourcing threat to safety?
 
BS my friend, they are equally as bad. I might even weigh the duty day issue even worse.

One doesn't need to be on a field trip to have a long duty day. 

 

[Bob Owens]

Off topic but I have a question. How much do you guys get paid to run an engine for Maint? As you know we cant run an engine with passengers on board so when we need an engine run on the gate with passengers you guys do it. At UAL the pilots get $350. The company pays this so the pilots dont walk off and have all the passengers removed so maint can do it. Its a bargain for UAL but if they dont pay you guys anything its an even better bargain for AA.

 

[Bob Owens]

One doesn't need to be on a field trip to have a long duty day.

Exactly. Also he seems just as concerned about a tired mechanic that can read the manual than a tired mechanic that cant. AA doesnt set any limits on what contractors make their non-union workers work. They are not even under the two 48 hour per month rule if outside the US. Europe isnt a problem their labor laws are much better than ours but who knows what they have in 3rd world countries (although it wouldnt surprise me if some of them had better laws as well).

 

[Bob Owens]

Do you really want to be working next to someone who just did 18 hours straight and didn't get at least 8 hours of downtime?...More bluntly, is the union there to stuff your wallet at any cost, or to maximize the safety of the work environment?

Hmm so its OK for Corporations to stuff the wallets of their shareholders at the expense of mankind but its not OK for Unions to fight to maximize the earnings of their members? For the record if the government were to impose duty time limits I have no problem, in fact I'd favor it, but I'm not about to let the company selectively do it and steal time from us outside of negotiations. Pilots and flight attendants get paid per diem and other stipends when they are away from home even though its a normal part of their job, its not a normal part of our job, we have set areas where we punch in and punch out, with strict rules attached to that, and we get paid from in to out. If they want us to rest while on the clock, fine, but we are not coming off the clock until we get back to our station and punch out.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The days of the artesian well spewing cash everyone drank from are long gone.

 

[Bob Owens]

The days of the artesian well spewing cash everyone drank from are long gone.

Yes they piped it all directly to the banks, executives etc etc and you are willing to let it stay that way. The airline industry is more profitable than it ever was, so profitable that even if our compensation were fully restored they would still be making record profits.

 

[1AA]

http://fox59.com/2015/05/02/the-death-of-the-40-hour-workweek/

 

[eolesen]

For the record if the government were to impose duty time limits I have no problem, in fact I'd favor it, but I'm not about to let the company selectively do it and steal time from us outside of negotiations. Pilots and flight attendants get paid per diem and other stipends when they are away from home even though its a normal part of their job, its not a normal part of our job, we have set areas where we punch in and punch out, with strict rules attached to that, and we get paid from in to out. If they want us to rest while on the clock, fine, but we are not coming off the clock until we get back to our station and punch out.

The union *should* be worried about fatigue first.

I don't get that sense from anyone else except for Bob, and while he and I rarely agree on anything, I do agree with everything above.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The union *should* be worried about fatigue first.I don't get that sense from anyone else except for Bob, and while he and I rarely agree on anything, I do agree with everything above.

Look at the fatigue agreements between the FAA and their bargaining units. They are out front on this issue, along with the NATCA (Air Traffic Controllers Union) and PASS (FAA Technicians and Safety Inspectors).

http://passregion2.typepad.com/pass/about-pass-region-ii.html

http://nea.natca.net/updates/fatigue-mou.html