New European Cities out of CLT to be announced .

[PHL]

A slam at Philly. The small item missing is the difference in International O&D between the 2 airports. My bet is that this move is related to Post merger and/or OW planning, else why would US/*A Add/Duplicate seasonal, low yield flights at all, rather than expanding to new international destinations? On the other hands, it could also be the first step in an assumed merger GO to make CLT =ATL and dehub PHL, or simply Parker's temporary reward for CLT/NC not joining the DOJ. Temporary, because these routes will likely disappear before they start if the merger is approved this year, in favor of PHL/JFK - assuming the plan is to re-structure PHL to support a OW international hub. Whatever the reason, this move seems to subtly signal that CLT will continue to be Parker's favorite son and a major player in US's plans.

DL uses ATL as a connecting fortress, and JFK as a large O&D operation for Intl. flights. Sure, they also connect people into JFK for those intl flights, but not to the degree that they do at ATL.

The same could be said for CLT, which is very heavily biased towards connections. If it allows US to focus on O&D traffic at PHL, along with a smaller percentage of connections, then there's nothing wrong with that. PHL is strong enough to stand next to JFK as a OW hub, especially considering the slot limitations placed on JFK operations. US at PHL serves more TA locations than AA does at JFK, due in part to them using a lot of their slots for near hourly service to London.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the percentage of connecting traffic for US int'l flights at PHL is comparable to DL at ATL.

PHL is not an O&D focused int'l operation.. it is no different from other int'l hubs in terms of the percentage of local traffic.

 

[ContUNITEus]

Why don't you just shut the #### up already if you have nothing remotely positive to say? Jesus . Anything positive that US does you always find a negative . Yes the 767's are old . But it's a start and it helps us expand . Your So annoying .

Why you taking it so personal? Why you making it personal? Please try to explain to everyone what the logic is to start (for example) service in a brand new country with an aircraft as deplorable as the 767 when other competitors already fly the same routes with aircraft that are superior to the US 767?

I understand the whole capacity thing... but hey.... you are trying to gain customers, not scare them away....

The fact is.... people do expect state of the art aircraft.... Even those who have flown US before on the A330, expect it to be at least the same and not worse.

 

[ContUNITEus]

So josh just bec us has old 75 n 76 yet aa has similar ac w sim age but u dont rail against it? Conteunited u never have a positive thing to say bout usairways.. there always the good the bad n the ugly in all airlines including dl ua and aa as well as wn in adddition to us

I know.... There are good and bad in every airline....

My observation has been that US most of the time (if not always) launches new international routes on "bad" aircraft. Why not launch them on the "good' ones?

Just an observation....

 

[PHL]

Why you taking it so personal? Why you making it personal? Please try to explain to everyone what the logic is to start (for example) service in a brand new country with an aircraft as deplorable as the 767 when other competitors already fly the same routes with aircraft that are superior to the US 767?....
The fact is.... people do expect state of the art aircraft.... Even those who have flown US before on the A330, expect it to be at least the same and not worse.

It's about using an aircraft that is right sized for the market and that will provide the best yields. If that means a 767 on a route that a competitor flies a "nicer" airplane, then so be it. If US prices it competitively, they will still fill the seats.

UA, DL and AA all have 757, 767 and even 777 that leave on board amenities and seating options to be desired. Before you single out US, why don't you acknowledge that they are not alone in having older fleets that aren't as "nice" as some of the newer/newly refurbished aircraft?

 

[robbedagain]

Contuniteus I understand u i think us could get new planes but I dont think theyre in a real position to get them unless they merge or until after the 734s are gone I do think thy should try get few more planes whether its boeing or airbus

 

[cltrat]

Not germane to the discussion at hand, this tread isn't about me and it's none of your business.

Josh

I will take that as you're not denying your banks crookedness.

 

[cltrat]

Which one, D15 or D30? D15 is on the small side granted but it's much better than anything US has including CLT and PHL-A. I don't know about you, I don't visit the lounge to dine, I go to work, relax, access wifi and charge my PEDs. Better dining at La Carreta or Cafe Versailles than anything CLT has sorry. Besides US is all packaged junk food and occasionally processed soups or olives...yuck. And besides the AA agents are much better than US. End of story.

Josh

maybe we'll get lucky and you'll get a case of food poisoning.

 

[ContUNITEus]

It's about using an aircraft that is right sized for the market and that will provide the best yields. If that means a 767 on a route that a competitor flies a "nicer" airplane, then so be it. If US prices it competitively, they will still fill the seats.

UA, DL and AA all have 757, 767 and even 777 that leave on board amenities and seating options to be desired. Before you single out US, why don't you acknowledge that they are not alone in having older fleets that aren't as "nice" as some of the newer/newly refurbished aircraft?

I understand... I know that all airlines have "older-cabin" planes (767/57/47 and so on). What I wonder about is why they (US) - historically speaking - ALWAYS use the 67 in order to introduce new markets. I swear, if they would have had any chance to wing the China route with the 76, a route that they originally fought so hard to get, they would have totally taken that risk. But I guess even the most clever America West exec probably figured that there was just no chance that they could put that bird on that pairing, thus leaving them with no choice, other than to return the route to the government. I am sure that in itself was an expensive FIASCO.

You can't tell me that they are not confident enough to be able to try to 'size-wise' introduce a newer aircraft to a new market. If anything, with the excitement that comes in launching a new pairing, you should want to impress your NEW customers.

Just look at the whole CLT-HNL fiasco, where they put the 67 to a distance that it couldn't really make. I am sure that more passengers decided NOT to fly US on that route, due to the bad reputation that US garnered immediately after launching that market.

America West always tries to do everything with the lowest common denominator. This is why US will never lead in anything, and they will just drag any company that they merge with, down to the lowest possible rankings that exist.

 

[700UW]

FCO and TLV were introduced with the A330, not a 767.

 

[737823]

maybe we'll get lucky and you'll get a case of food poisoning.

Was that really necessary?

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

Is it necessary for u to turn every thread into union anti union n have battles w 700 all the time yet u knw most of us n what we do etc u refuse to tell who u work for

 

[700UW]

Airline - RASM - CASM - cents - Profit/Loss Margin %

Atlantic
AA - 16.00 - 14.96 - 14.70 - 6.9%
DL - 14.02 - 12.39 - 13.79 - 11.2%
UA - 15.94 - 14.61 - 15.98 - 9.1%
US - 15.41 - 13.83 - 13.56 - 11.4%

Latin
AA - 17.55 - 15.57 - 16.61 - 12.6%
DL - 14.04 - 14.64 - 14.30 - (-4.1%)
UA - 16.45 - 15.39 - 16.07 - 6.8%
US - 19.21 - 16.84 - 15.08 - 14.1%

 

[ContUNITEus]

You're right 700

 

[nycbusdriver]

I swear, if they would have had any chance to wing the China route with the 76, a route that they originally fought so hard to get, they would have totally taken that risk.

Don't swear.

But the truth of the matter is that LCC would have started China with an A320 if they could have attempted it. And, don't just blame the Kettle-loving Tempe Brain Trust. The Crystal City Set would have done the same thing.