National officer elected....imagine that?

[Chuck Schalk]

The votes for the AMFA National Officer Election were tallied on December 20, 2012. TrueBallot Inc. conducted the vote and tally by use of the TeleVote® and WebVote® systems. The results of the election are as follows:

Assistant National Director
Aaron Hansen (Local 32)
Floyd A. Looney (Local 11)
Abstain/Blank

535
472
20
National Secretary/Treasurer
Justin Madden (Local 18)
Jarod Mills (Local 14)
Robert Wooster (Local 11)
Abstain/Blank

444
174
405
4
National Safety & Standards Director
David A. Brooks (Local 32)
Fred Digne (Local 32)
Abstain/Blank

641
323
63
Region II Director
Jack Coonrod (Local 11)
Michael P. Nelson (Local 18)
Abstain/Blank

262
414
4

The National Director went unopposed.

How many votes would our international officers get if they had to be elected by the members?

 

[1AA]

How many votes?

Now that is a funny one. Joke of the year.
Saturday Night Live would have fun with that one.

 

[Overspeed]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

corrupt was our negotiations and the farce that we had a say in it

at least they got voted in or out by the members

are you advocating that our International Officers be directly elected by the members?
sounds like it to me?

 

[TWU informer]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

What? If AMFA was corrupt as you say, wouldn't the "cronies" as you call them been voted in? And not out? Your posting is an oxy-moron statement. The election was reran because of violations of the election rules and the AMFA Constitution with the guidance and communication to the Department of Labor.

 

[1AA]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

I guess that would be the way the TWU would run it if the TWU actually voted for their officers. Keep spinning the facts. I need some good entertainment.

 

[Bob Owens]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

You mean like the way the Negotiating Committee voted to ask for a release and Don stalled until he had enough votes to vote against release?

Or what about how the ATD is trying to liquidate all the line Locals and send Title II back to Locals they voted to leave?

Isn't a revote is better than no vote at all?

How do we get to vote out your appointed cronies?

 

[swamt]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

Spin, Spin, Spin yet again. AMFA DID NOT do an election re-run because certain people were voted out. It was IN FACT re-ran do to some election laws were mistakenly broken by the guys that were running against the existing officers. Now if you say that AMFA is corrupt as you have said, and that it was all re-ran because "Louie didn't get his cronies voted back in" then why in the hell didn't Louie have all the candidates removed from running until the next election? AMFA is not corrupted. They had a re-run, and yes, the same results prevailed, but it was all done fairly and "by the laws" that govern union elections. AMFA actually showed it's true colors, and the fact that they ARE transparent and follow the laws that govern them.
Now lets all watch the newbies coming into AMFA National, and let's see if they can do good for the membership. If not they will be removed, trust me they are going to be watched under a microscope, if they do not produce for the membership, they will be removed. Besides that, once AMFA is voted in at AA, then AA will be running the National anyway. Keep spinning overspeed, you are entertaining at least...

 

[Bob Owens]

If you look at whats going on in the TWU it sounds like Overspeed is looking in the mirror when he uses the words cronies and corrupt. All Dons cronies got voted out, Johnny Griffith, Todd Woodward, Bob Zimmerman and Steve Gilboy, so what does he do? He comes up with a plan to liquidate all those Locals. Talk about corrupt!!!

 

[767 mechanic]

Chuck did you know that this election was a recite because the cronies got voted out? Louie Key didn't get his guys back in and they decided to rerun the election. What happened? They got voted out again! AMFA is corrupt.

Bob V you are a compete liar. With people like you and your twin brother Don Viditech in the twu international its easy to see why people want to get rid of the twu. How much money was the twu fined for running a corrupt election? If I remember correctly it was in the millions and you try and sling mud at a union for running an legitimate election. Its funny how you guys in the inter try to protect your salaries by bringing in the ibt to do your dirty work,due to the fact that you can not defend yourselves anymore. If anybody happens to remember the amount that the twu was fined please post it.

 

[Overspeed]

corrupt was our negotiations and the farce that we had a say in it

at least they got voted in or out by the members

are you advocating that our International Officers be directly elected by the members?
sounds like it to me?

No Chuck I never said nor insinuated that. You know what a delegate is right? Delegates vote for the Int'l you know that. Delegates are voted in by members. Do the delegates have no responsibility?

Corrupt was the lies you and others told to members in your Local 562 videos. Finally people woke up and didn't believe your nonsense. Remember Chuck, you said if we voted anything down we got the last best offer. That's a lie Chuck that you stated in the videos. We don't get the last best offer to vote in BK, we get the term sheet. Just like the pilots. The APFA told their members that but your chose to lie in the video. You were probably secretly hoping that Judge Lane would do what you have always wanted, to shed those pesky TUL members so that you could get your geo-pay and raise your base pay at the expense of all those overhaul jobs being outsourced. Your a real swell guy. Did you learn your killer negotiating skills from your marriage counseling practice?

 

[Overspeed]

Bob V you are a compete liar. With people like you and your twin brother Don Viditech in the twu international its easy to see why people want to get rid of the twu. How much money was the twu fined for running a corrupt election? If I remember correctly it was in the millions and you try and sling mud at a union for running an legitimate election. Its funny how you guys in the inter try to protect your salaries by bringing in the ibt to do your dirty work,due to the fact that you can not defend yourselves anymore. If anybody happens to remember the amount that the twu was fined please post it.

TWU hasn't run a corrupt election. Just because you don't agree with the delegate election process doesn't mean it's corrupt. You do know that the U.S. Presidential elections are done by delegates, so are the nominating conventions.

AMFA Nat'l election was not legitimate. They ran the first election and the incumbents all got voted out. Then the Nat'l decided the election needed to have a complete rerun because of some posting. Then they all lose again. Maybe there will be another do-over by AMFA. Great union AMFA. Less than 30% of their members voted for the Nat'l officers. The direct election vote got all those 20,000 members they had in 2004 a big benefit didn't it? They now have 3,000 members left! Do the members who lost their jobs get to vote on the Nat'l officers? That direct election process really helped all those AMTs who lost their jobs.

 

[Overspeed]

If you look at whats going on in the TWU it sounds like Overspeed is looking in the mirror when he uses the words cronies and corrupt. All Dons cronies got voted out, Johnny Griffith, Todd Woodward, Bob Zimmerman and Steve Gilboy, so what does he do? He comes up with a plan to liquidate all those Locals. Talk about corrupt!!!

Zimmerman was not in it anymore an never mounted a serious election campaign. Gilboy didn't run for president.

Bob YOU came up with a plan to merge all the locals in your Little kiss ass letter. Did you forget?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Zimmerman was not in it anymore an never mounted a serious election campaign. Gilboy didn't run for president.

Bob YOU came up with a plan to merge all the locals in your Little kiss ass letter. Did you forget?

Yes he did...lmao

 

[Bob Owens]

TWU hasn't run a corrupt election. Just because you don't agree with the delegate election process doesn't mean it's corrupt. You do know that the U.S. Presidential elections are done by delegates, so are the nominating conventions.

Funny, I remember casting a Vote for Obama!

Are you confusing Delegates with the electoral college?

Electors are indeed elected by the people and they vote for the President, so yes the TWU Delegate system is similar in that respect to the government. That said the electors are supposed to see how their constituancy voted and cast their vote accordingly. In other words they tell him how to vote. When are the members given the opportunity to see the Ballott and inform their delegates who they want them to vote for when nominations and the election are all done at the Convention? This is where "Democracy" diverges.

Now lets look at the Presidents Council, (a body that carries zero authority as per the TWUs own testimony in court). Each Local sends a President to the council, but with a motion and a second each President gets to vote by the number of members in his local. A weighted vote, erroneously called a Roll Call Vote. Run off elections are prohibited per the TWU Constitution, so even if a President failed to get the majority of the votes cast, in other words more people in his local voted against him than for him he still carries all their votes, along with those who didnt vote at all. So a large Local like 514 can outvote any other Local even if other Local Presidents recieved more votes than he did. So a President from Tulsa who recieved 500 votes and won with that could outvote a President from DFW that recieved 1000 votes. So in other words its not a meeting of equals. If we were to look at and attempt to model our Democracy like our government then we would have the International as the Executive Branch, the Local Presidents as the Senate, and the membership as the Congress. If they cant get a unaimous concensus between the "Executive" and "Senate" then let it go to the membership. Letting every issue to to a membership vote would be costly and encourage compromise. This would allow the larger locals to still have more power, if they truly were expressing the will of their members, but also not make the smaller Locals insignificant. Our government has a Senate where each Senator has the same vote, this was so the small states would no be run roughshod by the big states, and was done to promote fairness and unity.. In the Joint Negotiating Committee they frequently used Roll Call and as a result Stores bolted from it the first chance they got. If you are not treated as equals then you will never stand united, why should a minority whose interests are ignored stand United with his oppressor? Our structure is designed to divide and fail. Your and Dons plan would make it even worse.