More Massive Layoffs for 2009 then? Even in Miami

[BonTemps]

---AMERICAN TO DROP A300S---

Under a capacity control program announced in May, American had planned to include some A300s in a plan that also cuts some MD-80s, Saab 340B turboprops, and a number of regional jets. The airline now plans to cut 10 aircraft from its A300 fleet by the end of 2008, while the remainder will be phased out in 2009. A previous fleet retirement plan would have kept A300s in AA's fleet until 2012. This 2009 retirement schedule will add to a capacity reduction plan that cuts up to 12 percent from American's 4Q08 domestic capacity compared to the same period in 2007.

So...
Since there won't be anything to replace all that capacity..I guess we'll see big time reductions again with the spring Sked change I bet?? My station hinted as such..and this will even affect Miami...the "safe" place.

Comments?

 

[RDU Jetblast]

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=5403472

 

[kirkpatrick]

Since there won't be anything to replace all that capacity..

34 737's are coming online next year and 36 in 2010, and I've heard that the delivery schedule will be moved up again. On another thread MAH explains how the lost capacity will likely be handled.

MK

 

[BonTemps]

I thought the 737's were for the S80 replacement...and that was announced with this year's cuts. Let's hope so that they move up the 73's more. On some routes like MIA-GYE, MIA-PTY, MIA-PAP...2 737 can replace capacity of A300 yes..but drives more ground crew and inflight crews.. If they replace an A300 with a 757 and thus replace a 75 with a 73...that's more capacity cuts on both flights..

Probably have both plans in the bag...depending on how oil does thru the fall..

 

[WingNaPrayer]

In the meantime, AMR stock skyrocketed today up over 2 bucks, it's highest in months. Confidence is high again and, as is their habit, the corporate suits will have a jackrabbit response to the changes, i.e., they may not cut as much, as quickly as initially announced.

MIA will have to remain "safe" it's the only hub with a capacity increase and more to come.

This whole mess is going to turn into one huge guessing game - believe it or not, T.Boone Pickens scared the crap outta the Saudis last week. It will take oil a while to find an even balance again.

Teeter Totter time!

 

[BonTemps]

In the meantime, AMR stock skyrocketed today up over 2 bucks, it's highest in months. Confidence is high again and, as is their habit, the corporate suits will have a jackrabbit response to the changes, i.e., they may not cut as much, as quickly as initially announced.

MIA will have to remain "safe" it's the only hub with a capacity increase and more to come.

This whole mess is going to turn into one huge guessing game - believe it or not, T.Boone Pickens scared the crap outta the Saudis last week. It will take oil a while to find an even balance again.

Teeter Totter time!

I saw that..shoulda sank my 1200 tax check into it when it was down at 3 bucks and change. Lets hope. Oil went down to 126..even tho there is a Hurricane in the Gulf.

Hoping a new political party in office after the elections will keep the confidence going..

But..I guess no where is "Safe"...even if Miami doesnt take cuts It will be the System Bump-and-Roll Heaven and "commuter Paradise"

 

[jimntx]

I thought the 737's were for the S80 replacement...and that was announced with this year's cuts.

Well, technically, yes, but I think MAH posted on another thread that there were plans to replace some A300 flying with more frequent 73s--i.e, 2 73s/day to a destination rather than 1 A300. Though, I do question the loss of cargo capacity from the A300 to the 737.

Be careful that you do not assume that the 73s coming next year will replace any of the S80s grounded this year. That capacity will be gone with the wind. I was told that as 73s are delivered next year additional S80s will be grounded. It's the beginning of the end for the dear old birds.

 

[MAH4546]

I thought the 737's were for the S80 replacement...and that was announced with this year's cuts. Let's hope so that they move up the 73's more. On some routes like MIA-GYE, MIA-PTY, MIA-PAP...2 737 can replace capacity of A300 yes..but drives more ground crew and inflight crews.. If they replace an A300 with a 757 and thus replace a 75 with a 73...that's more capacity cuts on both flights..

Probably have both plans in the bag...depending on how oil does thru the fall..

There will be no cuts at MIA. A300 routes - where air treaties permit it - will be replaced with 757s and 737-800s. Many routes will see one additional 738 flight per day to make up for the lost capacity.

As I've been saying all along, the 738s coming are not directly replacing the S80s. They will serve different purposes in the fleet as they are extremely flexible in their ability to do international flights south of Mexico and fly trans-cons.

I was told that as 73s are delivered next year additional S80s will be grounded. It's the beginning of the end for the dear old birds.

Currently there are no additional S80 retirements set. The fleet plan through the end of 2009 is pretty much set. Of course, never say never, things change, but I don't expect more S80 retirements unless fuel climbs above $160.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

As I've been saying all along, the 738s coming are not directly replacing the S80s. They will serve different purposes in the fleet as they are extremely flexible in their ability to do international flights south of Mexico and fly trans-cons.

Can you imagine flying trans-con in a single aisle?

Oy Vey! I couldn't handle it without some type of controlled substance!

 

[mrman]

Can you imagine flying trans-con in a single aisle?

Oy Vey! I couldn't handle it without some type of controlled substance!

AA's already doing it to Hawaii and Europe

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Can you imagine flying trans-con in a single aisle?

Oy Vey! I couldn't handle it without some type of controlled substance!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



AA's been getting away with flying "narrow body" Transcons for years now(think BOS-LAX/SFO)

The ONLY place,..........and I mean the "O N L Y" place that ALWAYS rates Wide Body Transcons, is.............JFK.

No surprise there though,.........Those "pushy" NYers put AA on notice Loooong ago, about "putting narrow bodies on LAX/SFO routes................AT THEIR PERIL !!

SURPRISE,....................NO narrow bodies on JFK-LAX/SFO, ...AND (I believe) SFO gets a 763 or 2, on some flights !!

(I believe the LONE Transcon (JFK) exception, is a LONE 757 to SEA)

 

[kirkpatrick]

(I believe the LONE Transcon (JFK) exception, is a LONE 757 to SEA)

There's JFK-LAS, not quite a transcon, but almost, and JFK-SAN in the winter months, all 757's. And don't forget twice daily EWR-LAX.

But you're right, the 767 rules NYC to the west coast.

In the olden days I did many 707 transcons and several hundred 707's to Europe, often on long routes such as ATH or TLV. In fact, one of the longest legs I ever flew was Las Palmas (Canary Islands) to MSP, a charter flight, over 12 hrs.

MK

 

[MAH4546]

Can you imagine flying trans-con in a single aisle?

Oy Vey! I couldn't handle it without some type of controlled substance!

738s are already on trans-cons, including MIA-LAX.

 

[eolesen]

Can you imagine flying trans-con in a single aisle?

Once upon a time, dual aisle aircraft didn't exist, and people did just fine flying transcon & transoceanic on 707's and DC8's...

I never flew the 707 or DC8, but I can't imagine it being much different flying on a 738 or 757. I've done 8+ hours on the upper deck of a 744, which is only single aisle, and that's entirely tolerable without mind altering drugs or alcohol. It's somewhat limited for carry-on space when you wind up on one of the carriers who puts coach upstairs, but not at all different from flying on any other narrowbody.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- And then there was the Convair 880's! The fighter planes of the Airline Industry!!! With 3-2 seating.