AMR to slash more capacity in 2009

[AC AA LA FA]

The RGF entry will show where the whole fleet is. Already a couple in ROW and one that has already gone back to the lessor in VCV. The photo of it is on airliners.net.

My DECs sine wont allow RGF......??
oops..yes it will..
handy entry..thanks!

 

[N288AA]

My DECs sine wont allow RGF......??
oops..yes it will..
handy entry..thanks!

Aicraft 055 maybe already deleted from the A300 fleet, but it is the one already gone back to the lessor.

 

[Hopeful]

Keep in mind, that even if AA chose to extend the service of the A300, there are major and costly mandatory modifications that must be accomplished. Cracks have been found in wing spar areas and those A300's have already been removed from service.

This aircraft has served AA well.. It's just time to retire it.

 

[MAH4546]

BTW, to those who insist that the new 73s are going exclusively to International in IMA, let's just wait and see. According to two high up Flight Service people at a meeting I attended last week, they are going to be used in domestic service a great deal. I don't think any of us know for sure at this point.

There has been talk lately that the new 738s might not be over-water equipped, which would make them useless from Miami.

While the physical new 738s might not be used largely from MIA; the capacity they add to the fleet will largely be from MIA (so MIA 738 expansion might come with older 738s; with newer ones used domestic).

As of now, MIA will see about 5-7% capacity growth in 2009; JFK will likely see growth as well. Everybody else will be down.

And yes, much (if not all) of the new MIA-Caribbean capacity is just largely replacing lost SJU-Caribbean capacity; though even with the new MIA-Caribbean capacity, most Caribbean stations will still be seeing less overall capacity. Though, the trade-off is that they are seeing more capacity to the mainland U.S. (MIA and JFK).

 

[eolesen]

Keep in mind that as the A300s leave AA, some will head straight into a check as part of the lease return. The owner chooses the MRO facility, not AA.

Same rumors came up a few years back when a UA livried 777 showed up at AFW.... All sorts of screaming about AFW stealing work from the UA mechanics. Nobody bothered to notice UA didn't own the a/c....

 

[lpbrian]

Keep in mind that as the A300s leave AA, some will head straight into a check as part of the lease return. The owner chooses the MRO facility, not AA.

Same rumors came up a few years back when a UA livried 777 showed up at AFW.... All sorts of screaming about AFW stealing work from the UA mechanics. Nobody bothered to notice UA didn't own the a/c....

Not suprising, how many quality MRO providers have A300 experience?

 

[eolesen]

quite a few, actually. Don't forget that LH, AF, Qf, TG, and a couple dozen other airlines are current or past operators of the -600. Certainly you don't think LH or QF are substandard when it comes to engineering.

 

[eolesen]

quite a few, actually. Don't forget that LH, AF, Qf, TG, and a couple dozen other airlines are current or past operators of the -600. Certainly you don't think LH or QF are substandard when it comes to engineering.

 

[Boomer]

Keep in mind that as the A300s leave AA, some will head straight into a check as part of the lease return. The owner chooses the MRO facility, not AA.

Same rumors came up a few years back when a UA livried 777 showed up at AFW.... All sorts of screaming about AFW stealing work from the UA mechanics. Nobody bothered to notice UA didn't own the a/c....

Show us the contractual requirement that anyone outside of AA performs the Fleet Return Inspection outside of an AA Facility and/or that anyone other that AMR M&E is responsibled for rectifying return discrepancies.

Airbus partnered with AMR M&E early on with regard to several modification and structural maintenance issues created with the aircrafts' origination.

AMR M&E may choose to allow the lessors the use of an outside facility because we are in contract talks because the subsequent runup in return costs will disparage the efforts of TULE Maintenance: is that contractually productive?

Only if AMR intends to follow WALL STREET requests to spin-off Maintenance & Overhaul into a separate entity subject to purchase and separation through an International Aquisition.

 

[lpbrian]

quite a few, actually. Don't forget that LH, AF, Qf, TG, and a couple dozen other airlines are current or past operators of the -600. Certainly you don't think LH or QF are substandard when it comes to engineering.

Yeah, but they are on the other side of the globe. With fuel prices the way they are, the cost of ferrying offsets any cost advantage the purported the had.

 

[lpbrian]

Show us the contractual requirement that anyone outside of AA performs the Fleet Return Inspection outside of an AA Facility and/or that anyone other that AMR M&E is responsibled for rectifying return discrepancies.

Airbus partnered with AMR M&E early on with regard to several modification and structural maintenance issues created with the aircrafts' origination.

AMR M&E may choose to allow the lessors the use of an outside facility because we are in contract talks because the subsequent runup in return costs will disparage the efforts of TULE Maintenance: is that contractually productive?

Only if AMR intends to follow WALL STREET requests to spin-off Maintenance & Overhaul into a separate entity subject to purchase and separation through an International Aquisition.

I stll wonder if UAL is still trying to find some sucker to buy their MRO?

 

[eolesen]

Once the lease term is over, you have no contractual right to any work related to it.

It's off property, so to speak, even if it's still parked on AA property or the ferry to the MRO is contracted out for AA to crew.

Now, it would make sense to have AA to do it from your perspective. As an owner, I might want an independent opinion of what I need to bill AA for in order to bring it up to a saleable condition.

 

[jimntx]

Show us the contractual requirement that anyone outside of AA performs the Fleet Return Inspection outside of an AA Facility and/or that anyone other that AMR M&E is responsibled for rectifying return discrepancies.

Remember that the contract is between your union and the company. No outside parties involved. Unless an action is specifically prohibited by the contract--i.e., No maintenance work will be done on any leased a/c other than by AMR mechanics and technicians in AMR facilities until returned to the lessor--or specifically required by the contract--Until a leased a/c is returned to the lessor, all maintenance work must be done by AMR mechanics and technicians at AMR facilities--it is allowed. That's why you need topnotch negotiators and contract writers when you negotiate.

Now, those two phrases may seem to say the same thing, but they don't. It depends on which "end of the stick" you are holding. That's why lawyers do well in this life.

 

[FWAAA]

More percentages from today's paper:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...es.393c7ed.html

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

No big surprise there, I guess. All legacies are paranoid about two things right now: overcapacity and the volatility of oil. They are taking the cautious approach which, in a deep recession, is the right call.