More Hints About Merger

[justaumechanic]

Now this is a keeper.. The word "Stunned" really jumps out..

We are all going to be Stunned by the amount of money someone is going to
pour down this hole.. This we have got to see..

As I said two days ago, the formal merger announcement is imminent and US Airways-America West has the third party investor(s) lined up. The investment agreements are in the final advisor review stage, a holding company will acquire both US Airways and America West, and you will be "stunned" at the amount of equity provided to the combined business enterprise.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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[UseYourHead]

Why would you presume that?

Mergering lists will be fair and equitable per ALPA merger policy, period. No amount of lies of misinformation from you or anyone else will change that process.

AWA and UAir pilots have a well proven legal process to count on, and those driven by fear and greed will be disappointed as there will be no windfalls.

That is the way it works....

It will be interesting to see how the seniority lists end up. I would venture a guess that quite a few America west pilots are about to get furloughed.

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[USA320Pilot]

I do not believe the new investor(s) will effect outsourcing.

In regard to pilot staffing, I doubt there will be any pilot furloughs. The companies will not fully merge for about two year's and at US Airways over 500 pilots will leave the airline in the next two years due to age 60 retirements, medical/LTD problems, and other attrition.

In two years the average US Airways pilot age will be 55 years old.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[luv2fly]

Why would you presume that?

Mergering lists will be fair and equitable per ALPA merger policy, period. No amount of lies of misinformation from you or anyone else will change that process.

AWA and UAir pilots have a well proven legal process to count on, and those driven by fear and greed will be disappointed as there will be no windfalls.

That is the way it works....

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Fair and equitable, fair and equitable. Enough with the sound byte. Is there a policy in effect? Yes. Is it fair? History has shown it will not be viewed that way.
Like I said, ask TWA, and Pan AM. I think it would an overwelming NO. The reality is this. AmWest = junior pilot group. U = ridiculously senior pilot group. A new list will result in furloughs and the Amwest folks are going to take it in the shorts.

USA 320,

How many pilots does U still have on furlough? I hope for those junior pilots your assertion is correct. I do not believe it be so.

 

[AAviator]

It will be interesting to see how the seniority lists end up.  I would venture a guess that quite a few America west pilots are about to get furloughed.

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Whaaaat.

With U shrinking the way it is, I´d say a lot more U pilots will see the street. Factor in career expectations, and the vanishing 737 fleet at U. It´s unfortunate, but it is what it is...

 

[supercruiser]

Fair and equitable, fair and equitable. Enough with the sound byte. Is there a policy in effect? Yes. ...... The reality is this. AmWest = junior pilot group. U = ridiculously senior pilot group. A new list will result in furloughs and the Amwest folks are going to take it in the shorts.

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ALPA merger policy currently says that the two ALPA groups merging will try to work out their seniority list integration themselves, and if they do not, binding arbitration will take place. You have a better policy in mind than that?

The reality is that in the 3 mergers I've been through in the last 19 years with US Airways has NOT resulted in pilot furloughs as a "result" of the merger. You think there is something out there that will protect a pilot group from anything that can happen in the future for the rest of their career? Get real. The US Airways pilots know that for sure from a front row seat.

Sure sounds like you speak from a position as someone who has never been there, and obviously don't even know what ALPA merger policy is. Your comments are coming loudly from the sidelines. The only one making "sound bytes" is you, and they are ignorant ones at that.

supercruiser

 

[BoeingBoy]

Sorry - double post. Deleted by me.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

USA 320,

How many pilots does U still have on furlough? I hope for those junior pilots your assertion is correct. I do not believe it be so.

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You didn't ask me, but I'll jump in anyway....

The number actually in furlough status decreases over time as those furloughed resign, retire, etc. The last count I did was in the vicinity of 1620, but the latest ALPA number (from the tag-line on the code-a-phone) is 1574. I don't doubt the accuracy of that number at the time it was determined. As time goes by, the number will shrink - assuming no further furloughs.

As to attrition, the present trend indeed indicates that 500 or there-abouts will be gone in the next two years or so. Of course, like any trend, predicting what will happen in the future bases on what's happening now is an uncertain endeavor. Coming events could increase or decrease that number.

Jim

 

[UseYourHead]

Both of those were shot-gun sales, and in the case of PanAm, only pilots on equipment were taken, no-matter the seniority....

APA is not ALPA, and TWA pilots waived other safeguards as well.

Fair and equitable, fair and equitable. Enough with the sound byte. Is there a policy in effect? Yes. Is it fair? History has shown it will not be viewed that way.
Like I said, ask TWA, and Pan AM. I think it would an overwelming NO. The reality is this. AmWest = junior pilot group. U = ridiculously senior pilot group. A new list will result in furloughs and the Amwest folks are going to take it in the shorts.

USA 320,

How many pilots does U still have on furlough? I hope for those junior pilots your assertion is correct. I do not believe it be so.

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[funguy2]

In regard to pilot staffing, I doubt there will be any pilot furloughs. The companies will not fully merge for about two year's and at US Airways over 500 pilots will leave the airline in the next two years due to age 60 retirements, medical/LTD problems, and other attrition.

In another thread, you identidied 46 US mainline aircraft leaving the fleet. I am excluding the E170's because the deal for them to leave is not done, and if it is, the pilots will likely go with them...

Further, you said we should expect both companies (HP and US) to lose more aircraft when the deal is announced.

So... According to you, we should expect to see more than 46 aircraft retired with no furloughs (of pilots). That seems pretty incredible to me... I mean, if US Airways has that kind of attritian coming, you would think the recall books would be open and training occuring...

 

[BoeingBoy]

I mean, if US Airways has that kind of attritian coming, you would think the recall books would be open and training occuring...

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Just like approaching last Christmas, management appears to be attempting to "scrape through" short staffed.

The recent demand that those on leave of absence either return or resign can be viewed one of two ways - an attempt at beefing up the pilot staffing a little (there aren't that many on LOA) or an attempt to force those who have no intention of returning to resign, thus decreasing the number on the seniority list in preparation for a potential merger.

Jim

ps - it's not a forecast, but don't be surprised if more planes don't leave the fleet before all this is over - and I'm not talking about the 170's.

 

[US1YFARE]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05132/502929.stm

Not sure if this was posted, but WN's President's comments on the merger:

About the prospects of a merger between US Airways and America West Airlines, Barrett said America West Chief Executive Officer Doug Parker and US Airways Chief Executive Officer Bruce Lakefield "must be on drugs. I think they're crazy. I don't know why anybody in today's environment would want to add more woes to what they got. ... I don't know [if] the deal will come to pass."

She also admitted that employees who went to PIT from PHL think they have died and gone to heaven.

 

[markkus757]

If the merger does take place, I'm curious to see the fleet and route network. I'm also very interested to see what will happen to the feeders. I can see AWAC and Republic join Mesa as the primary feeders with Trans States being "let go." Not sire what would become of the Piedmont's and Colgan's in the "new" airline...

 

[Winglet]

What if the age 60 rule is changed? How many U pilots would stay or even demand to return to flight status?

 

[delldude]

Now this is a keeper.. The word "Stunned" really jumps out..

We are all going to be Stunned by the amount of money someone is going to
pour down this hole.. This we have got to see..

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so i must now fasten my seatbelt to get ready for a stunning uct/ict of biblical proportions??