MIA-LAX widebodies reduced

[WorldTraveler]

unless you have AA's internal traffic stats, we will probably have to wait until next spring or later until the DOT releases traffic stats by market.

and, yes, I have long said that competition would come to Latin America as markets open up.

Unfortunately, all of this new competition is coming as currencies in Latin America are deteriorating due to weakening economies relative to the United States.

and DL and UA have the ability to grow where the markets are most favorable and for right now it is northern ethnic and leisure Latin America.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The oracle of the early out hath spoken,rend thy garments AA,thy doom is upon thee...

Already making a strong bid for next years Goldie,well played sir.

 

[WorldTraveler]

probably not.

A 7% reduction in capacity in one market or 2-3% in a region isn't of itself going to make or break anything.

As traffic results, it reflects a shrinking market.

The more important part of the equation is what yield is doing - or revenue on the seats that remain.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I didn't start the thread... it wasn't on my radar.

and it might not be a big deal.
 

 
1.  Yet ~ 1/3 of the posts thus far are yours.
2.  You certainly wasted not time to make it a big deal chose to make it a big deal, starting @ post #6.

 

[WorldTraveler]

perhaps it is because so many others jumped into high gear to try to make excuses - which aren't even true - about why the OP's post is incorrect.

the OP's observation is correct.

 

[eolesen]

Sure, it's easy to be correct when there have only historically been 2 or 3 widebodies in the market, and now there's only one.

The reasons given are no less true than the OP's observation.

AA *is* doing refurbs on the 763's, and they do more overhauls and checks in the winter months.

There *is* less demand for LatAm right now than there was over the past two winters.

And then there's AA's LAX-GRU flight (second longest from LAX after PVG?), which probably contributed to a fair number of the seats which were otherwise flowing over DFW or MIA.

You can cherry pick what you want to, but there are lots of inputs which go into determining how many seats to operate in a given market, WT.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm cherry picking nothing.

I'm must presenting the data which shows that AA's domestic system from MIA is UP; MIA-LAX is an exception.

MIA-Latin America is down.

 

[AirLUVer]

There have been changes to MTX locations for different aircraft for different checks.  
 
One was the move of B-checks for 777's to MIA.  The 777 BC takes over 24 hours to accomplish, so that leaves one less airplane in that market to run the DFW-MIA run.  
 
Two is also a change of markets for the MIA/GRU to 773 equipment, which means there are not as many 772 sitting during the day there in MIA to run to LAX. 
 
Three 321s have begun taking over some of the transcon flying out of LAX to MIA.  A 767 cp crew can work a 757 flight on the return, but with the change of equipment to the A321 they can't run one crew one direction and another crew the other direction without incurring greater cost.
 
Four in regards to crew costs for 3-Class A321 versus 3-Class 762, there are 1/3 the FA costs to cover the trip per AA standards.  There is also a significant change of pay rate for the Pilots, so additional crew costs are actually close to nil if not a cost savings for the extra 3 frequencies.
 
But don't let the FACTS get in your way, WT.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not letting any facts get in the way.

tthose are all valid observations.

But in the transcon markets esp. JFK-LAX where the 321T strategy involved using smaller and more fuel efficient aircraft, AA added more frequencies to try to offset the impact of using smaller aircraft.

AA has not done that on MIA-LAX. They are using smaller aircraft with a decrease in overall seats. In fact, addition of one narrowbody flight/day to the schedule as small as an A319 could keep the number of seats from decreasing. AA chose not to do that, but AA didn't do that.

AA removed widebody flights reduced capacity in the market because they wanted to reduce capacity in the market. They could have overcome all of the factors you noted if they replaced that capacity. They didn't.

and there is not anything that required that they should have replaced that capacity.

but the OP's observation is correct and AA acted on legitimate economic bases - not because of some operational or merger related issue that AA could not have overcome if they wanted more seats in the market.

 

[commavia]

All of this hysterical blather and yet no perspective (what else is new).
 
AA next summer will handily dominate MIA-LAX, just as it handily dominates MIA in general, operating eight daily round-trips (three on 767/777) in this market - which is to say, eight times as many flights, and nearly ten times as many seats, as Delta will be offering.  Perhaps that's what all of this ridiculous back-and-forth is really about?

 

[WorldTraveler]

nobody is doubting that AA's schedule will include more widebodies at some point in the future.

no one said anywhere that AA doesn't dominate the MIA-LAX market. IN fact, that has been acknowledged.

The fact is that AA is reducing widebody frequencies and overall capacity during the winter. that is the topic of the thread and what has been confirmed with data.

 

[jcw]

oh we see - when someone changes a domestic route from a widebody to a narrow body that is a sign of weakness
 
I bet DL never subs a 757 for a 767 domestically does it

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one ever said that it was weakness... not me.

it just reflects that AA reduced capacity even though MIA domestic capacity in the same time frame is up.

why you and others can't accept a simple observation by the OP is beyond understanding.

just admit that AA reduced the number of widebodies and overall capacity.

that is exactly what happened.

 

[jcw]

oh please that is all you imply with your posts - do you ever read what you write?

 

[robbedagain]

No he does not read anything he writes    that's pretty obvious with the bs crap he writes