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[BajaBabe]

He would not be the only person who would have to wear leaky pads. There were many people inside the Crystal Palace that were very pro Teddy UNTIL they saw the tide switch. They knew she had a big set and wanted to tame the bull. I don't think they want to face and have a break down of conscious. It reminds me of a song Smiling faces lalalala TELL LIES

 

[airportman]

TIME FOR OUR MEC(S) TO MAKE THE CALL ASK FOR HELP...........


HER NUMBERS ARE WIDELY KNOWN TO THE F/A GROUP


IF ANYTHING IT WOULD GET THINGS MOVING LIKE THAT FIRST CUP OF AM COFFEE.

 

[Career Reserve]

Yes, but you have Egos to deal with here!
They would not want to have TX shine in the spotlight of true negotiations!
Can you imagine the Possibilities!
Someone actually fighting for us? Not just lip service.
Someone who (always) put ALL the flight attendants first? Not just one select group.
omg I am going to faint at the prospect
It would be an answer to our prayer.

 

[Zarah]

Is she even interested in this type of work or even working with those involved?

 

[airportman]

Is she even interested in this type of work or even working with those involved?

WHO KNOWS.....THAT WOULD TAKE A PHONE CALL FROM THEM (MEC'S) TO ASK.........


AND A SWALLOW OF SOMEONES PRIDE.....

 

[diamondcutter]

I don't hate anyone! Never have. But I did think of a question for you and I'm not breaking ballz either.

Instead of the AFA international "Professional" Negotiators could US AFA hire consulting attorneys beholden ONLY to the US AFA?

That to me would seem to be the best way to fight for a better contract?

we do have one ...Mary Lou Savage She is with the MEC out of DCA.

 

[EMBFA]

What is with all of the re-appearing topics from August 06?

 

[USCREW]

What is with all of the re-appearing topics from August 06?

Someone must have gotten stuck on that page.

 

[USCREW]

we do have one ...Mary Lou Savage She is with the MEC out of DCA.

Who's that?

 

[flybynite]

WHO KNOWS.....THAT WOULD TAKE A PHONE CALL FROM THEM (MEC'S) TO ASK.........
AND A SWALLOW OF SOMEONES PRIDE.....

Stop shouting...please.
Hit the caps lock key. <_<

 

[US1YFARE]

What is with all of the re-appearing topics from August 06?

Maybe everyone is just trying really really hard to turn back time---someone find a post pre-merger and maybe we'll wakeup and this will all just be a really bad dream.

 

[Mr Furlough]

AIRPORTMAN,

I know you're talking about the AFA, but the same thing comes up periodically in ALPA so I'll stick my nose in.....

Any negotiator, no matter how talented, is only as good as the backing they receive from the MEC and membership. Using ALPA's LOA 93 as an example, no negotiator can do anything when enough of the MEC & membership is demanding a vote on a company proposal - that effectively removes any negotiator from the process by rendering them powerless.

At the end of the day, there's only one Truth in negotiations - you'll never get better than you're willing to risk losing your job fighting for. As long as the overriding concern of the membership is keeping their jobs, the company has you exactly where they want you. The best negotiator that money can buy won't change that.

Jim

Jim is absolutely correct. And insofar as Pilots are concerned, the overwhelming majority feel as though the job they hold is the only way that they will ever make it. In the east following 9-11 and the economic downturn, it was "live to fight another day". They achieved that to a certain degree, but man was it ever ugly.

My 4 year furlough taught me a great deal about all of this. First, without this job, most will do just fine. For me, I made ends meet, kept my kids in the same house, same schools, same friends. That's all I wanted out of it. For others, some did extremely well-others not so well. As we see here in the east, very few are excepting recall from furlough because what is being offered doesn't motivate them enough to return.

My life on the outside also taught me that there are very few professionals in this world that would do what we do for what we receive in pay, benefits, retirement, and lack of lateral opportunities. Say you're a head hunter (a recruiter). You approach a lawyer for example. You say to he lawyer-hey-I've got a great opportunity for you. With your 20 years experience I can offer you an entry level position with a major airline. You get $85K per year, travel 100% of the time. Work weekends, holidays, and we will love you so much that we will even call you on your days off to fly. Of course, you will pay north of $400 per month for your healthcare, you will receive the smallest of pension, and should we decide to purchase another company-well we'll see how that all works out. Of course should the economy go sour, you'll have to kick in. Heck, we may not even be able to employ you beyond that. And if you loose this job-no matter how long you've worked for us, you'll have to take a job south of 40K as this industry operates under a seniority system.

It's not just LCC. It's the entire industry. We allow this to happen. You can't blame the money people for seeing this huge opportunity to exploit. Change is needed not only in our contracts, but in the manner in which we conduct ourselves inside of our unions. We are operating with 60s mentality in a rapidly changing, fiercely competitive, small margin, high risk marketplace. Lead by some of the most jacked up individuals you would ever dare entrust with your livelihoods. Yet when they blow it, we don't make the lateral move, we start completely over. Why?

Back to Jim's comments. You have to be willing to go the distance with these goons. Not only because it's right, but because trust me, they are prepared to go the distance with you. That's where a professional negotiator excels. No emotion, just the argument. But it's the rank and file that buts in and says "get a deal"!!!