Maintenance bidding

[ekjkj]

I'm a PIT mechanic who will probably be getting laid off and i'm thinking of taking the layoff instead of commuting,  one of the varibles is how does a american mechanic bid back into the system after layoff (in case there is a transition agreement reached before I can bid back under the current IAM agreement).  Just thinking about all the possibilities before I make the decision.  Thanks 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I'm a PIT mechanic who will probably be getting laid off and i'm thinking of taking the layoff instead of commuting,  one of the varibles is how does a american mechanic bid back into the system after layoff (in case there is a transition agreement reached before I can bid back under the current IAM agreement).  Just thinking about all the possibilities before I make the decision.  Thanks 

 
EKJKJ
 
My best suggestion to get the info about how and what you will need to do is to contact the TWU Local 591 officers via email.
Ask the IAM local dist. officers what is the policy that you have in place, and if you can bump down to a lower classification at your station.
 
What are the rules on how much occupational seniority you will loose, if you take the layoff v/s commuting? What recall rights you have now vers
what will be put in place if the association get in place?
What happens to your pension is something else you should ask the IAM dist officers? Depending on how close you are to retiring, just what you ned to do and
what restrictions you have if you can start to draw on it and when? What is the age you won't take a hit? 60 or 62????
Do you maintain occupational time and loose company time and how does that effect recall with IAM or with the new IAM/TWU association.
 
Can I also make one suggestion, if you do decide to take the layoff and are one of the mechanics which dislikes the IAM, log onto the amfa-aa.com site
print a amfa card sign it and mail it. This will help us rid both the IAM and TWU from the new AA.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
EKJKJ
 
My best suggestion to get the info about how and what you will need to do is to contact the TWU Local 591 officers via email.
Ask the IAM local dist. officers what is the policy that you have in place, and if you can bump down to a lower classification at your station.
 
What are the rules on how much occupational seniority you will loose, if you take the layoff v/s commuting? What recall rights you have now vers
what will be put in place if the association get in place?
What happens to your pension is something else you should ask the IAM dist officers? Depending on how close you are to retiring, just what you ned to do and
what restrictions you have if you can start to draw on it and when? What is the age you won't take a hit? 60 or 62????
Do you maintain occupational time and loose company time and how does that effect recall with IAM or with the new IAM/TWU association.
 
Can I also make one suggestion, if you do decide to take the layoff and are one of the mechanics which dislikes the IAM, log onto the amfa-aa.com site
print a amfa card sign it and mail it. This will help us rid both the IAM and TWU from the new AA.

Wait for it...wait for it...there it is!!  B)

 

[MetalMover]

I'm a PIT mechanic who will probably be getting laid off and i'm thinking of taking the layoff instead of commuting,  one of the varibles is how does a american mechanic bid back into the system after layoff (in case there is a transition agreement reached before I can bid back under the current IAM agreement).  Just thinking about all the possibilities before I make the decision.  Thanks 

May I ask why you think you probably are going to get laid off?

 

[Overspeed]

I'm a PIT mechanic who will probably be getting laid off and i'm thinking of taking the layoff instead of commuting,  one of the varibles is how does a american mechanic bid back into the system after layoff (in case there is a transition agreement reached before I can bid back under the current IAM agreement).  Just thinking about all the possibilities before I make the decision.  Thanks 

 
Being that there are now two CBAs that have yet to be merged contacting both IAM and TWU would be a good plan. The TWU CBA provides for transfer from RIF. Not sure how the IAM handles it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Honestly, if you are able, I would take the layoff. Ask yourself if you are up for commuting, possibly for years. It is going to get old fast. Consider the cost of commuting. I am going to assume you are married and will have to maintain two residences. There is also the toll it will take on your family life (consider that part of the cost).
 
Now might be a good time to consider another career.
 
You may make less money (then again you may make more) on the hour but, when you figure in a second rent, a second set of utilities, and fuel cost (running back and forth to the airport) you may find a lower paying job actually pays more. 
 
Even if you do not get laid off I would consider going to school for something else, again, if your able.  
 
I was in your situation last year. I chose to start a new career. It worked out. That is all I can say. It worked out.
 
I hope things work out for you as well.

 

[robbedagain]

Good luck to you no matter which route you take

 

[Real tired]

 
EKJKJ
 
My best suggestion to get the info about how and what you will need to do is to contact the TWU Local 591 officers via email.
Ask the IAM local dist. officers what is the policy that you have in place, and if you can bump down to a lower classification at your station.
 
What are the rules on how much occupational seniority you will loose, if you take the layoff v/s commuting? What recall rights you have now vers
what will be put in place if the association get in place?
What happens to your pension is something else you should ask the IAM dist officers? Depending on how close you are to retiring, just what you ned to do and
what restrictions you have if you can start to draw on it and when? What is the age you won't take a hit? 60 or 62????
Do you maintain occupational time and loose company time and how does that effect recall with IAM or with the new IAM/TWU association.
 
Can I also make one suggestion, if you do decide to take the layoff and are one of the mechanics which dislikes the IAM, log onto the amfa-aa.com site
print a amfa card sign it and mail it. This will help us rid both the IAM and TWU from the new AA.

Actually he asked a question I'd like the answer to also.
 
I think he might be one of the first round of 50 or so that might be affected in the coming days here in PIT.
 
He (or she) can only bump to a lower classification if they hold seniority in that classification.  We don't have Title I, II or any other lower level.  Only stores, and utility, of which there are only 50 utility left. They were abolished in the bloodbath of "05.  So from an AMT he could bid a stores or utility job, or bump it he  was already in that classification before and had a seniority number in that classification.
 
We won't lose seniority while on layoff, in fact, for 5 years he will still accrue while on furlough. And we have recall rights.
 
The pension in the IAM stays with us for life.
 
Anything to do with recall under the Association, is unknown.
 
But his question was, what recall rights do you at AA and the TWU have right now?

 

[Thomas Paine]

La la, plus add in all the extra hours put in commuting, a lower hourly wage without the commuting and additional expenses may not result in less money to spend.

ekjk
ARTICLE 15 handles RIFs, you can access it on JetNet.

 

[DallasConehead]

If you are affected by a RIF and there a junior people or openings around the system you can fill or bump. If you go to the street you put in a wish list of stations to be recalled to, when an opening occurs at one of those stations you are proffered (by seniority) to fill it. If you turn it down you are done.

 

[700UW]

He is a US employee, what is in your TWU CBA has nothing to do with what happens to him.
 
PM US is still covered under the IAM/US CBA.
 
Nothing changes until PMUS M&R get a new CBA and/or when a JCBA is negotiated and ratified.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

He is a US employee, what is in your TWU CBA has nothing to do with what happens to him.
 
PM US is still covered under the IAM/US CBA.
 
Nothing changes until PMUS M&R get a new CBA and/or when a JCBA is negotiated and ratified.

 
 
700uw
 
He asked what the rules are here at AA, with the TWU and about what we may know about the alliance rules. WE all know that the current cba stays in place until a new JCBA is negotiated your not the only one who knows that even though at times you think you are.
 
If he was better informed with the IAM he could ask the Dist officers there, but maybe he is getting the same run around we get from the TWU here, and what his choice should be, take the layoff or commute?
 
Know one can tell us here when or how this TWU/IAM alliance is going to take control, or attempt too. The IAM is saying nothing until we get a contract, but do you or anyone else actually think theses two big unions are going to sit back and wait? They want to insure the dues keep flowing. AA is also working on this so they will know who they need to deal with and just what it is going to cost them.
 
maybe you should direct him to one of your IAM buddies within the dist. with power and knowledge to get him the answers he need for himself and his family before it is too late and makes a choice uninformed.
 
Knowing how the system works and what the rules are work well for some.
But that only applies if the rules are fair across the board for all which at the TWU they are NOT. I will assume that it is the same at the IAM.

 

[700UW]

If he is in PIT he isnt junior, the bumping rules have been in place for a long time, its all in the CBA, and everyone should be informed on it.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Actually he asked a question I'd like the answer to also.
 
I think he might be one of the first round of 50 or so that might be affected in the coming days here in PIT.
 
He (or she) can only bump to a lower classification if they hold seniority in that classification.  We don't have Title I, II or any other lower level.  Only stores, and utility, of which there are only 50 utility left. They were abolished in the bloodbath of "05.  So from an AMT he could bid a stores or utility job, or bump it he  was already in that classification before and had a seniority number in that classification.
 
We won't lose seniority while on layoff, in fact, for 5 years he will still accrue while on furlough. And we have recall rights.
 
The pension in the IAM stays with us for life.
 
Anything to do with recall under the Association, is unknown.
 
But his question was, what recall rights do you at AA and the TWU have right now?

Real tired
 
I brought up the pension thing since I heard that if you leave US with the IAM pension and you are old enough to start to draw on it, you can't get another job to subsidise your income and the IAM will stop it just like the IBT's rules. I also know that with the IAM you have life time recall, but with this IAM/TWU association that may change and this person needs all info before he/she makes a choice.
 
I also know that with the IAM you have only one seniority list with in the group. Unlike here at AA. I did work at a IAM place in the past. Lots of question and things to think about when your family and job security is on the line.

 

[700UW]

You cant work for another airline and collect the pension.