Loa 91 Membership Ratification Timeline

[Phoenix]

USA320Pilot,

Eastern Airline employees said "no" more than the number of times that U Pilots have said "no".

But then that would be easy seeing that U pilots have NEVER said "no" to a giveback.

Your attempt at scaring people by a false association with a defunct carrier is clever but not successful on people who are more intelligent than you give them credit for. (I know most of us cannot aspire to your intellect.)

If USAIR is so fragile after being given several billion dollars of give-backs by the employees yet can not withstand the little bump they will soon find in the new NC (assuming the pilots you so erroneously accuse of being Eatern-like do the right thing for once in their life) then obviously it is time for USAIR to fold so the other carriers can pick up the slack.

Phoenix

 

[PITbull]

In regard to this week's ALPA activity, it would not surprise me if the company takes dramatic actions to get the unions attention, such as significant across-the-board furloughs in all work groups and asset sales.

We could live another Eastern Airlines on this property.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

USA320,

"to get the union's attention"????? What is this now, management blackmailing?

 

[700UW]

In regard to this week's ALPA activity, it would not surprise me if the company takes dramatic actions to get the unions attention, such as significant across-the-board furloughs in all work groups and asset sales.

We could live another Eastern Airlines on this property.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Here goes his fear mantra again!

 

[737nCH11]

If management did furlough people just to get the unions' attention it would backfire severely. There is nothing like having a bunch of pi$$ed off, demoralized folks waiting in the bushes to backstab you. It would cause the wheels to come off the whole operation. :angry:

Usa320pilot,

It sounds like you want this to happen. From your previous rants, it sounds like you are giddy at the prospect of Siegle crushing the IAM. What kind of a union member are you? I sure as hell wouldn't want you watching my back if I was walking a picket line. On second thought you would probably be crossing that line instead of walking it.

 

[AP Tech]

I just cannot believe 320 is not in managment!!! Maybe he is just bitter about unions in general because of his inability to gain a position with ALPA. Never have I read so many posting that are so obvious that all he cares about is one thing.......himself!!!!!!!!

 

[ClueByFour]

In regard to this week's ALPA activity, it would not surprise me if the company takes dramatic actions to get the unions attention, such as significant across-the-board furloughs in all work groups and asset sales.

We could live another Eastern Airlines on this property.

So do you think that means that Dave and Dave will be barred by the feds from ever running an airline again?

 

[USA320Pilot]

Just a few thoughts...

1. I predict LOA 91 will be ratified by a 2:1 margin.

2. Nobody wants to see anybody laid off or hurt. I know what it's like to be unemployed and I am empathetic to those who face this uncertainty. However, nobody can deny the decline in fundamentals facing network airlines.

3. Every major network airline is losing hundreds of millions of dollars per year and the only companies making money are the LCCs.

4. Revenue is depressed due to enormous LCC pressure and Internet bookings. Costs continue to rise due to security issues, fuel prices, increased medical expenses, and the company's credit rating.

5. Every major network airline has a junk bond credit rating with little access to the credit markets.

6. The only way to save jobs and to have recalls is for the company to return to profitability.

Management's plan to do this is:

1. Create a LCC/network carrier hybrid similar in scope with America West, with America West type labor contracts.

2. Reduce distribution and facility ownership costs.

3. Dramatically improve productivity of aircraft, employees, and facilities to average down unit costs.

4. Expand MDA to be a LCC defensive response, but also an offensive weapon.

5. Sell non-core assets after LOA 91 is ratified to pay down the loan guarantee, reduce future debt, and improve the credit rating.

6. Grow alliance revenue/feed and enter the Star Alliance shortly.

7. Once the "Going Forward Plan" is complete, the company will likely enter into a corporate transaction.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[PITbull]

America West for the f/as has one of the worst contracts in the Industry.

Sorry, not going there.

Funny, the folks that are in a room that discuss giving again to save the company are the ones who get their jobs saved. LOL... no one in the room who discusses saving a company mantra is in jeopardy of losing their job with that decision.

I have more respect for someone who discusses "saving a company" and knows with certainty that the decision to give more concessions eliminates them.


NO ONE IN SENIOR MANAGEMENT IS IN ANY JEOPARDY OF LOSING THEIR JOB IF WE ALL GIVE. But, many of us will.

 

[mweiss]

Good point, PITbull. The plan should be to keep all of the FAs, at full pay, and eliminate those pesky CEO, COO, President type positions.

 

[deltawatch]

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[oldiebutgoody]

Just a few thoughts...

1. I predict LOA 91 will be ratified by a 2:1 margin.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Personally, If I were a UAIR pilot, I would NOT vote for ANY MORE givebacks (including LOA 91) unless he company:
1. Assured that NO MORE FURLOUGHS would result from this action (remember, Dave said that the "going forward" plan WOULD RESULT in furloughs for ALL work groups)
2. Some kind of VALUE in dollars is assigned to this action, so that it can be included in valuation for the total of the ALPA giivebacks.
3. Adequate assurance that the grievances pending are addressed in a timely manner.

Folks, I only see two MAJOR stumbling blocks to going to an America West or any other contract, and USA320PILOT hasn't even mentioned them (apparently he hasn't thought this through). First, he DC plan which ALPA currently has requires the company to put HUGE percentages of a senior pilot's wages into the fund to make up for the loss of the DB plan, OFTEN UP TO 100% for older senior pilots. In effect, they are making TWICE per hour of what their pay rate is ( I know, most is in a "notional" account, but it is still dollars owed by the company) . In order to get the pilot compensation package down to AW wages, this would be reduced to a matching 401k, making the MAXIMUM CONTRIBUTION ONLY ABOUT $15k/year! There goes ALPA's SECOND RETIREMENT PLAN! The next thing is the furloughees. You can bet that Dave would love to limit or even eliminate their recall rights. As it stands now, any growth entails recalls of guys into the top scales (plus the same kind of retirement issues as stated earlier) rather than getting MUCH CHEAPER new hires. I look for Dave to again "welch" on his agreements and go after these two items really soon, if he hasn't already. He needs to realize that there is a cost of doing business, and he has to pay it. I say that ALPA members should vote NO unless these items are addressed and given some kind of protection.

 

[PITbull]

Good point, PITbull. The plan should be to keep all of the FAs, at full pay, and eliminate those pesky CEO, COO, President type positions.

mweiss,

My point is I find them to be so "not credible" when they start with the "we're just trying to save the company" schpill, "and as many jobs as we can", blah blah blah,
and all along, they are only talking security for their jobs.

 

[Light Years]

4. Expand MDA to be a LCC defensive response, but also an offensive weapon.

Its pretty offensive already! And isnt the point of the pilot scope change your trying to sell us that the MDA jobs would be outsourced to the contract carriers, rather than keeping 70-100 seaters in-house?

 

[ClueByFour]

Its pretty offensive already! And isnt the point of the pilot scope change your trying to sell us that the MDA jobs would be outsourced to the contract carriers, rather than keeping 70-100 seaters in-house?

Yeah. US will fold under the weight of the pay-per-departure fees it sends to Mesa, and operational stats will suffer.

The other thing that I find funny is "sell non-core assets." In case anyone has missed this, if Siegel gets his way, mainline is going to be a "non-core" asset.

 

[mweiss]

they are only talking security for their jobs.

Which is hard to do when the company fails.