Layoffs

[luvthe9]

guys ,please stop. no one knows what type of layoffs will be. nothing has been announced. for all we know us will go at this stand alone (doubtful) or ual just might say they do not want to hook up with us(doubtful as well) . bottom line is everyone is getting worked up over nothing right now. until something is announced and for sure (because remember usairways and ual tried to hook up before and it was supposedly a "done deal" which never happened) then we can start speculating. for now do what you do best and that is provide the best service you can .

UAL is a train wreck, I would perfer to say alone, IF we end together I think there will be big cuts, other wise it makes no sense to merge. We are already funding a losing operation on the west let alone get involved with UAL.

 

[EMBFA]

Regardless of who runs the show...

The only other possible hub in the Southeast, CLT, where UA has minimal presence and US is the only real competitior to DL's mega ATL, is not going anywhere. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

Headquarters would likely remain in ORD. Training centers in ORD DEN PHX and CLT may be maintained due to sheer size of the airline.

All PIT and PHX operations centers etc will be gone.

LAS, done. No need for a low yield leisure hub, unless they want to continue the nighttime hub idea for aircraft utilization. In these times though the planes may be better off on the ground.

PHX and DEN and PHL and IAD are the two tricky ones. One of each will become an O&D focus city while the other remains a connecting hub.

If able to do so, I'd keep DCA and IAD as a high O&D dual presence- Shuttle and east markets from DCA, transcon and international from IAD. PHL's geography and more established routes are better for a Northeast connecting hub, with larger aircraft and less frequency. Parking the massive amount of rat jets clogging up the corridor will be a huge help. Making better use of LGA and BOS slots with larger aircraft and more important destinations would help also.

DEN and PHX is a toughie too. PHX is infested by WN while DEN has weakened F9. DEN is better located as a hub and a much better facility.

The question of Express carriers is interesting too, as that's where most of the capacity reduction will and should come from...

Piedmont (owned by US Airways)
PSA (owned US Airways)
Air Wisconsin (US)
Mesa/Freedom/Air Midwest (US and UA)
Chautauqua/Republic/Shuttle America (US and UA)
Colgan Air (US and UA)
Trans States Airlines/GoJet (US and UA)
SkyWest (UA)

Reductions in ground staff at affected hubs are likely, but I don't think there will be huge reductions in mainline flying, at least not to the degree US Airways east employees saw when almost 50% of some work groups were laid off.

I'm just speculating as to what makes sense, not sticking my tongue out at a percieved enemy like some of the above posts... Keep in mind some pieces could be sold to others. Also keep in mind nothing has been announced yet.

 

[CLT CS AGENT]

Probably a 20% reduction across the board. Places like Charlotte would be gutted.

United has stated multiple times that they want a southeastern hub. No way would anyone just gut CLT. It is the second largest banking center in the nation and one the fastest growing cities in America. With over 12,000 people checking in for flights daily, international flights booked close to capacity, and a functional airport with city support it is obvious that the individual who said CLT would be gutted has no idea what they are talking about. United's flights out of CLT are always book solid, Delta's flights (including 757's to ATL) are solid, American and Continental as well as JetBlue always have solid bookings. Charlotte is comming into its own and the airport is ready for it. They are completing a third runway and there are plans now for a seperate international terminal. Charlotte is an up and comming city and would be a jewel in the crown of any airline that was hubbed there. To pull US out of CLT would give WN another massive operation like AA gave them in BNA and US gave WN in BWI. I just don't see it happening. Charlotte is solid. It's the PHL hub I would worry about.

 

[JetMonkey]

Personally I would rather take my chances and merge with AA, not as much overlap as UA. No overlap with ORD and DFW, MIA would be nice complement to the route structure, BOS would become a powerhouse (probably would have to give back some there) and only one extra hub out west (LAX) instead of 3, so Phx and Las wouldn't be cut down too much. But that's just me...

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I still think that some sort of fragmentation of UAL may be coming. If not, I think that CLT would be okay, PHL may suffer, since UAL has a NY hub. PHX or DEN will suffer, since the western US is served by both. IAD and DCA may have to divest some gates/routes to make the gov't happy. I would expect the UAL name to continue no matter what happens, due to it's brand recognition factor.

 

[EMBFA]

UAL does not have a NY hub.

 

[Richard]

Let's get this back on topic...the subject is layoffs not hubs...if you want to talk about hubs start a new thread.

And STOP the personal comments, back to page 1.....

 

[EMBFA]

Wow.

I can't keep up with the rules of where to post. So only one post about flight attendants in general, but we can start multiple threads about possible merger activity? I thought threads were closed and consolidated yesterday?

I'll happily start a new one.

MOD NOTE--Publicly challenging a moderator is an automatic 14 day suspension....

You started the new thread...leave it at that.

 

[InternationalShannon]

Let's get this back on topic...the subject is layoffs not hubs...if you want to talk about hubs start a new thread.

And STOP the personal comments, back to page 1.....

EDIT TO AVOID TRIP TO FIELD OF CORN.

aaand following the new thread.

 

[etops1]

you are not aloud to disagree with a moderator in the forums. didn't you know that? -_- 😉

MOD NOTE: IF you disagree with a moderator PM the moderator. DO NOT publicly challenge.

Do YOU want 2 weeks off?

 

[hulagirl]

This is on the subject, but not entirely. Anyone know seniority levels of F/A's at UAL? I think some of the F/A's on the West side are ready to jump if this happens due to very little seniority when compared to UAL. If it happens, there would have to be some layoffs with fleet reduction and route simplification. Ideas? I really don't know that much about UAL except that they have around 17,000 flight attendants. Would appreciate input from those with the knowledge...

 

[InternationalShannon]

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[UPNAWAY]

I would expect lots of attrition just from people on the US side that do not want to go through another merger.

 

[flybynite]

Probably a 20% reduction across the board. Places like Charlotte would be gutted.

If we are talking about a UA/US merger...what makes you think CLT will be gutted?

I'm not trying to start an argument. But in my opinion, of all of our bases, CLT shouldn't take a hit because of it's location. And because we can move traffic very well. It's a pretty damn good operation.

 

[jetmech01890]

ok everyone knows there will be layoffs the old saying do more with less but riddle me this how about the shuttle sell or keep if so where do the flight crews go ? we all know the where the rest of us go