LABOR COALITION NEEDED

[ITRADE]

On 7/8/2003 2:33:59 PM LavMan wrote:


----------------
Please.  Please.  Stop and read what you are posting.  You're digging a deeper and deeper ditch with every word you write.

You wrote:

"Dave whose only sucess in the airlines was to order RJs for CO and they still landed in BK"

This is 100% BS as noted above.  Siegel's ordering of RJs took place in 94 or 95 - well after the Chapter 11 filing.

You wrote:

"you were not in any of Dave's roadshows where he boasted of guiding CO thru there second filing."

That is not what the article you posted states.  The article states that he was an exec during the company's turn-around, not during the company's actual bankruptcy.  He helped the company grow and prosper, he did not guide it through the Chap. 11 proceeding.

 

[LavMan]

No employee and especially someone like Dave whose only sucess in the airlines was to order RJs for CO and they still landed in BK, is worth $750,000 bonus, give him a bonus when he turns the company around, all he has succeded in is gutting this company, trying to shrink it to profitablity which will not work and ruin thousands of employees lives.

Boy ain't he worth every penny he has gotten?
NOT!

They even have no integrity as PITBull and numerous other employees can attest too.

 

[ITRADE]

And if you want the kicker, ponder the following statement:

"He has extensive experience in the airline industry, having spent seven years at Continental Airlines in various senior management roles"

He left Continental in 1999. 1999 - 7 = 1993 - three years after the bankruptcy filing

 

[ITRADE]

----------------
On 7/8/2003 2:33:59 PM LavMan wrote:


Once again ITRADE, you were not in any of Dave''s roadshows where he boasted of guiding CO thru there second filing.

----------------​

From US''s website:

"As president of Continental Express from 1995-1999, Siegel significantly improved the unit''s profit contribution by $250 million during the four-year period, and led its substantial improvements in operational performance. He also negotiated the largest aircraft order at the time in the regional airline industry as the launch customer for Embraer 145/135 regional jets."

1995-1999. RJs were not even on the scene in 1990. Please. Stop, and think about it before engaging your fingers.

 

[ITRADE]

----------------
On 7/8/2003 2:06:37 PM LavMan wrote:


No employee and especially someone like Dave whose only sucess in the airlines was to order RJs for CO and they still landed in BK, is worth $750,000 bonus, give him a bonus when he turns the company around, all he has succeded in is gutting this company, trying to shrink it to profitablity which will not work and ruin thousands of employees lives.

----------------
​

Ummmm....Reality check time. Continental filed for its 2d Chap. 11 bankruptcy protection in December 1990. Dave came on to Continental and did the RJ deal in 1994.

Again, facts have never hindered you from diatribe.

 

[LavMan]

Once again ITRADE, you were not in any of Dave's roadshows where he boasted of guiding CO thru there second filing.


US Airways Taps New CEO, Wolf to Retire

NEW YORK (Reuters) - US Airways Group named David Siegel, a Continental Airlines veteran, as its new chief executive on Wednesday, three months after his predecessor left the airline amid growing financial losses.

US Airways Chairman Stephen Wolf will also retire, handing Siegel control of the airline's operations while remaining chairman of the board in a nonexecutive capacity.

Siegel, previously chairman and CEO of Avis, a unit of Cendant Corp. , joins the ranks of Arlington, Virginia-based US Airways at a critical time.
Rakesh Gangwal, the previous president and CEO, left in November as the carrier struggled to find its footing after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Before joining Avis, Siegel, 40, spent seven years at Continental Airlines, including a four-year stint as president of Continental Express, its regional subsidiary. He was also a corporate planning director at Northwest Airlines , the nation's fourth-largest carrier. (He spent 7 years there, so that means he was there in 1992).

Continental Chairman and Chief Executive Gordon Bethune praised Siegel as the architect of the airline's rescheduling during the mid-1990s and for revitalized Continental Express by doubling its profits.
"David is one of the best airline executives in the business, and he is a real find for US Airways." Bethune said in a statement released.


David N. Siegel was named president and chief executive officer and board member of US Airways Group, Inc., and US Airways, Inc., the airline-operating unit, in March 2002.
Prior to joining US Airways, Siegel was chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Avis Rent A Car System, Inc., a subsidiary of Cendant Corp. He has extensive experience in the airline industry, having spent seven years at Continental Airlines in various senior management roles, including president of its Continental Express subsidiary.
As president of Continental Express from 1995-1999, Siegel significantly improved the unit's profit contribution by $250 million during the four-year period, and led its substantial improvements in operational performance. He also negotiated the largest aircraft order at the time in the regional airline industry as the launch customer for Embraer 145/135 regional jets.
At Continental Airlines, he also served as senior vice president of planning and scheduling, where he played an instrumental role in Continental's financial and operational turnaround, and as vice president of corporate development.
Prior to joining Continental, Siegel served as director of corporate planning at Northwest Airlines. Before joining Avis, he held executive positions at Budget Group and eVolution Global Partners, a corporate venture capital firm. He began his career as a consultant at Bain & Co.
Siegel earned a master's degree in business administration from Harvard Business School and a bachelor of science degree, magna cum laude, in applied mathematics-economics from Brown University.

 

[ITRADE]

---takes a bow---- and wipes blood off sword.

 

[MarkMyWords]

GAME! SET! MATCH! Congratulations Itrade.

 

[MarkMyWords]

Ouch! I leave for a few hours and miss an all out blood letting!

LavMan - No one is saying that Management and Labor have not failed in the past. We are no longer talking about pasts here. We are talking about futures. Yours, Mine and 29,998 others. With this kind of divisional attitude we will never be able to take any steps forward. Management and employees need to work together to move forward. Management of this company needs to stop with the doom and gloom and push forward with the positive. If all the news your employees are hearing is negative and doom, then morale will not go anywhere. Employees need to work together at every possible avenue to build momentum moving forward not continue to roll backwards.

There are some other management faults that you can add to your list of mistakes that past management made, employees made, etc. Does it do any good? Does it matter who is to blame? Reality is, we are where we are, now what do we do to get out of here. I am not saying that everything Dave and Co. has done has been right. But he has moved us a whole lot closer to survival and a lot further from certain death. I may not agree with Dave on everything, but I do have a lot of confidence that he has had to make a lot of tough choices and has chosen to put us on a path that will ensure that you and I have a job for a long time to come, if we get over the remaining hurdles and get back to profitability.

You claim that Dave''s only claim to fame is RJ orders and gutting this company. If you were Dave, what would you have done? Tough choices had to be made. Some peoples jobs had to be sacrificed for the greater good. Sorry.

 

[Analyst]

Lavman, looks like Itrade is right about this one. I would be more concern about Dave and the outsource of the A320 family heavy maintenance.

 

[ITRADE]

----------------
On 7/8/2003 2:33:59 PM LavMan wrote:


NEW YORK (Reuters) - US Airways Group named David Siegel, a Continental Airlines veteran, as its new chief executive on Wednesday, three months after his predecessor left the airline amid growing financial losses.

Before joining Avis, Siegel, 40, spent seven years at Continental Airlines, including a four-year stint as president of Continental Express, its regional subsidiary. He was also a corporate planning director at Northwest Airlines , the nation''s fourth-largest carrier. (He spent 7 years there, so that means he was there in 1992).
----------------​

You just don''t know when to quit. You highlighted this part of the article (and added your sidebar comment ) after I proved you wrong as to when Siegel was there.

So, let me add some more info for your consideration:

[url="http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2002-06-11-us-airways-siegel.htm"]http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/20...ways-siegel.htm[/URL]

Career: 1983, hired as management consultant at Bain & Co.; 1991, joined Northwest as director of corporate planning; 1993, went to Continental as vice president of corporate development; 1995, named president of Continental Express; 1999, hired as president and CEO of rental-car company Budget Group; 2000, eVolution Global Partners, an e-commerce venture capital company; 2001, went to Avis, a division of Cendant, as chairman and CEO.

Not only are you factually incorrect, you apparently cannot do math correctly.

Give it up.

 

[PITbull]

----------------
On 7/8/2003 2:49:22 PM ITRADE wrote:


And if you want the kicker, ponder the following statement:

"He has extensive experience in the airline industry, having spent seven years at Continental Airlines in various senior management roles"

He left Continental in 1999.  1999 - 7 = 1993 - three years after the bankruptcy filing

----------------​

Yea, Yea, blah, blah, blah, and then Dave mysteriously shows up at AVIS...wow great job there....Stated he took a pay cut to come to U...yea, right...
Then he comes to U (to so, call...save the bloody day...no less) brings in the "union busters" and dishes out threats and exaggerations. And screams.....I've come to save you, save me, no I mean you.

Throws the co. into BK, and screws as many folks as possible in the process e.g, vendors, lessors, employees, stock holders. Oh yea, I forgot, he was given stock too. ONLY THING IS HE DIDN'T PAY FOR IT! then he continues down the path of more retorhic and more threats for even more money...still needs to screw a few more folks and squeeze that last penny...then BOOM...here comes the big screw for none other than Pittsburgh and the surrounding communities! Yup, he is someone I would want to take home to meet the family.

Moderator, could you please do something about the RED big print by this poster. Big is OK; its the RED....

Hey Itrade, where did you say you worked????? oh, yea you didn't. hmmmmmmmm


Markmywords,

Sacrifices for what greater good????? ITS NOT OVER YET. AND GOOD FOR WHOM????

 

[Do_it_for_Dave]

Pitbull will need a new job after Dave is finished turning PIT into an RJ hub.

 

[ITRADE]

----------------
On 7/8/2003 4:30:26 PM PITbull wrote:


Hey Itrade, where did you say you worked????? oh, yea you didn''t. hmmmmmmmm

----------------​

Sorry, can''t help you there. The HR Dept. is not hiring right now, so I can''t refer you. Try in a few months.

 

[ClueByFour]

Lavman, you seem to imply that so many people have been laid off because of a lack of success on the part of management, and post some "talking points" provided by your union to emphasize that fact. You also imply that "management agreed to our current scope."

What I''m saying, and what you fail to address is that YOU (the unions in question). COULD HAVE PROPOSED SCOPE MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOW MORE CROSS-UTILIZATION. Instead, all unions involved made the choice to negotiate the current scope, which is why several thousand members are now without jobs.

So that you know, I have stated in the past that I once was a card carrying member of the UFCW. Never again will I pay someone for the privilidge of hitching my wagon to the whim of seniority, and basing the welfare and financial well being of my family on the lowest common demominator. Thus far, I''ve been far better off in the real world, where I''m judged on my value to an organization instead of "time in place."