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[SalesGuyCCY]

You all talk about cross training at airports? How hard could that be?? I imagine one guy slinging bags can also be taught to clean aircraft. Lets be real--we aren''t talking rocket science here.

The reality is that that the good old days are gone....its either do what needs to be done or find another job.

 

[cavalier]

A word about this thread and message to the Scope Clause bashers:

We voted not once but twice and were told to be by God thankful we even had the privilege to vote a second time to save ourselves. Vote to accept and keep you scope language we were told, do otherwise and surely the courts will strip you of the scope clause and you will lose your jobs. So it passed the second time because employees believed our new leader, gave him the benefit of the doubt, had faith in him. Now here we are today. Across the board the new contracts are being picked apart with make believe language to benefit the company and effectively taking additional concessions out of employees pockets with this make-believe language, concessions we obviously did not agree to. I could list them here, but as written elsewhere this is fact. Then we have words mentioned about outsourcing our work and reducing the fleet. So some of us stand up here and point out what is happening, which is: all we want is to have the contract we signed honored, honored like it was promised it would be. We are simply asking that promises and the contract signed be worth something, that all parties be held accountable. Also stated was if they are not then it is not only appropriate but necessary for every union member on the property to make a united stand against a leadership that has no honor, is not trustworthy and uses its employees trust and faith to turn around and exploit those virtues against them. This is what this thread was started for. It was not started for self ordained experts to explain to us all why a scope clause does not work in today’s world; this was not the intended purpose of this thread. It’s simply to hold U’s leadership accountable, which shouldn’t take an act of God or the anger of betrayed employees.

 

[LavMan]

Sales you fail to see the big picture, if you are unloading and loading a flight, how will you be able to go clean it? Plus there are numerous biohazards also.

And sorry sales, the majority of US Airways' employees are unionized and we have exclustivity on the work that is the law.

 

[ClueByFour]

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On 7/8/2003 8:40:40 AM LavMan wrote:

And sorry sales, the majority of US Airways'' employees are unionized and we have exclustivity on the work that is the law.

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To be perfectly blunt:

Your posture is exactly why there are several thousand fewer unionized employees on the property.

 

[LavMan]

clue you could not be more wrong, the unionized workers at US Airways did not put them into this hole. Ask the the ramp and customer service workers how they were treated in 1992 when they company took away their vacation, sick time, OJI bank, took the mail, cargo and express work from them, cut 40% of them to part time from 40 hours a week to 25 or less, and then increased their medical contributions to $300 a month.

Did the unions cause these wonderful decisions from management?


[SIZE= 11pt]As far back as Ed Colodny mistakes have been made that has probably cost this company millions if not billons if you add all the blunders.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE= 11pt]Colodny’s Blunders[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]

• [SIZE= 11pt]Mirror Image, imposing US Air’s business methods upon Piedmont and PSA, instead of looking at each respective airline and adapting their successful practices. [/SIZE]Some examples would be dismantling of the Piedmont Shuttle which accounted for 32% of Piedmont’s Gross Revenue.
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  [SIZE= 11pt]Not furthering International Service and canceling the last three 767s on order from Boeing, then realizing how much money was made serving international destinations and paying Boeing a $30 million penalty to reorder the three planes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt]Schofield’s Blunders[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]

• [SIZE= 11pt]Business select, $50 million on wasted seats that never worked properly and we eventually removed from the 737-200 fleet. [/SIZE]Operation Highground.
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  [SIZE= 11pt]The IAM Mechanic and Related Strike of 1992 in which US Air lost $35 million and agreeing to pay all the pilots during our strike regardless if they flew or not.
  [/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]
  [SIZE= 11pt]The hiring of Joe Gorman from United Airlines. [/SIZE]Gorman stayed a few months then went right back to United, then United started taking us on head to head in numerous markets where we did not compete before Gorman’s tenure.
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  [SIZE= 11pt]The alliance with British Airways to infuse quick cash, but not on favorable terms to US Air, BA got more out of the alliance then we did.[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]

[SIZE= 11pt]Wolf and Gangwal:[/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]

• [SIZE= 11pt]Canceling all the Boeing orders and having to pay a substantial penalty to Boeing to this day the dollar amount is not known as it was a confidential out of court settlement after Boeing sued US Airways, but it is believed to be hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  [SIZE= 11pt]Closing of three maintenance bases and trying to accomplish all the work in just three bases, which caused a backlog of airplanes awaiting “Q†and “C†checks and Mod visits. [/SIZE]At one point you could see numerous airplanes parked in Charlotte, Pittsburgh and Tampa awaiting maintenance.
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  [SIZE= 11pt]Buying back over $1.5 billon of US Airways stock instead of using the money as operating capital or paying down debt or just having it around for a downturn.
  [/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]
  [SIZE= 11pt]Selling the company to United Airlines and then for the next 14 months having no direction and running the company into the ground.
  [/SIZE][SIZE= 11pt] [/SIZE]
  
  [SIZE= 11pt]Overreacting to the September 11[sup]th[/sup] tragedy and shrinking the airline by 23% and increasing costs by putting larger airplanes on shorter routes.
  
  Paying way over market prices for leased aircraft.
  
  This is why US Airways is in the financial mess it is[/SIZE]

 

[SalesGuyCCY]

Thank you! That is part of the problem. Union employees just want to do one thing and if it falls outside of the "requirements," forget about doing it. This is a big reason why Southwest and Jet Blue are successful. Not the whole reason but a good part of it.

I have to taken on new types of work outside of my official responsibilities from time to time, why can''t you?

 

[ITRADE]

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On 7/8/2003 1:29:17 PM MarkMyWords wrote:


Second example. I was in PIT waiting for a flight and at the gate was a flight boarding for Florida. The Pilot went to get something to eat and when he got back he offered to push one of many wheel chairs down onto the jetway to help expedite boarding, and being a nice guy. The Agent/SAR''s response was that if he touched a single wheelchair that they would grieve him. Since there were so many employees out of work in PIT they didn''t need crew members taking their jobs too. I nearly fell over. Said, out loud, in front of customers. I applaude the Pilot for his efforts.

That is the difference between WN and US.


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This is a perfect example of how extreme union mentality destroys companies.

 

[MarkMyWords]

And Southwest employees know how to work together to get the job done. They have soft lines between union groups that allow for teamwork, versus the hard lines at U that will not allow teamwork without grievences being filed. People here need to stop with the "That''s not my job" mentality and do what needs to be done, together, to get us back on our feet.

Couple of case in points. I was flying out of PIT and watched out the window as the ramp agents were working feverishly to get the remaining bags / mail / freight on. Where is the Utility person? On the pushback, reading the newspaper. Coudn''t this person help with loading?

Second example. I was in PIT waiting for a flight and at the gate was a flight boarding for Florida. The Pilot went to get something to eat and when he got back he offered to push one of many wheel chairs down onto the jetway to help expedite boarding, and being a nice guy. The Agent/SAR''s response was that if he touched a single wheelchair that they would grieve him. Since there were so many employees out of work in PIT they didn''t need crew members taking their jobs too. I nearly fell over. Said, out loud, in front of customers. I applaude the Pilot for his efforts.

That is the difference between WN and US.

 

[ITRADE]

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On 7/8/2003 1:36:41 PM LavMan wrote:


People are just protecting their jobs, I can see niether of you have been union members. If the company agreed to the rules why can''t you accept them?

No, bad management ruins companies, that is why niether of you can refute the blunders that numerous CEOs and their cronies have done to this company.

Stick to the facts, refute the facts, the company had two opportunities to change scope, it was modified and they agreed to it.

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Perhaps the ignorance and stupidity of the whole "me in my yard" mentality contributes to the failure of the company to realize revenues. Perhaps if there were more flexibility, then the company could work as a better company. Instead you have single minded idiots in the example provided by MaryMyWords making a complete embarrasment out of himself, the pilot, and the company as a whole.

 

[LavMan]

Diatribe? You know you are wrong, cause no employee tells the CEO or VPs on how to run this company, they made the bad decisions and the unionized employees gave back $1 Billion a year and thousands of jobs.

Dave made more in one second on the property then I have made in 15 years, so dont tell me the unionized employees on this property has not made sacrifices.

 

[LavMan]

Sales once again you do not know what you are talking about, Southwest has the highest % of unionized employees. They are succesful because they don''t threaten and intimidate their employees.

Needleman at JB aslo treats his employees as assests and not liablities.

And you fail to refute anything that management has done to ruin this company. How long have you been here? I have been here for 15 years.

 

[ITRADE]

I am not going to fall victim to your union diatribe. I''ve seen enough companies fail with management and labor at laggerheads. Clearly, with the mentality that many employees are displaying here, the loss of those jobs would not be missed. They can grieve the state unemployment office all they want.

 

[LavMan]

People are just protecting their jobs, I can see niether of you have been union members. If the company agreed to the rules why can't you accept them?

No, bad management ruins companies, that is why niether of you can refute the blunders that numerous CEOs and their cronies have done to this company.

Stick to the facts, refute the facts, the company had two opportunities to change scope, it was modified and they agreed to it.

 

[LavMan]

Once again you fail to touch upon the real issue at hand.

 

[ITRADE]

A continuation of the diatribe...

"Dave made more in one second on the property then I have made in 15 years, so dont tell me the unionized employees on this property has not made sacrifices."

Another class warfare argument. So, where did you get your MBA? What companies have you been a VP of? Not everybody is created equal - and given that your name is "LavMan," leads me to believe that a MBA would be something that you''d recognize from an eye chart, not from a university.