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[Bob Owens]

And Bob, you were earning $800/mo , paid from your local's purse, plus your AA salary....that is until you showed your lack of integrity and was thrown off your high horse.

$800 a month comes out to $9600 a year, not $140,000. Besides my members felt it was well spent, they voted me in twice, they agreed with what I said and still do.

I suspect that a lot of your members also agree with what I say. You can be sure that very, very few, if any, of my fellow coworkers out here on the line agree with anything you say.

You might like to know that Bobby Gless came up with the figures of what we should get, sure I voted for it based upon Bobbys assertion that thiis was "mid range" for the system but later upon re-examining our costs I recommended that we cut the salaries.

As far as the high horse, it seems that the International objection was my posts here. If thats the case I'm sitting even higher now! I can say anything I want here!

Define your version of Integrety. Is it sleeping around on your wife? Beating her? Writing bad checks? Selling out your members while padding your own paycheck? Would you say that lower ranking Nazi officers displayed integrety as the followed the orders of their superiors?

 

[UAL_TECH]

Well, I've honestly looked for a positive to your AMFA and come up empty handed. All I feel is remorse and sorrow for it's members.

Quick question for you, since Jim Little and Bobby Gless get hit with this all the time. How much $$$$ did Delle lose when he marched his NWA boys out the door? And his UAL boys? Did McKormick have to sell some real-estate over the loss?

You see, that is exactly what I am speaking of.

Your insistence that:
1. UAL 'LOST' V2500 engine work
2. The lost work was attributed to AMFA

Because you are lying (I can not say misinformed as you should know the 'TRUTH")
on both counts.

1. UAL 'LOST' V2500 engine work (Never had it!!!)
2. The lost work was attributed to AMFA
(IAM had it from 1993-2003 - AMFA can not loose what was never theirs!!!)

When you stop your continuous lying about these 'FACTS!!!'
then maybe???, someone will take your rhetoric on other 'FACTS'
seriously.

😛 UT

 

[Bob Owens]

When you stop your continuous lying about these 'FACTS!!!'
then maybe???, someone will take your rhetoric on other 'FACTS'
seriously.

😛 UT

UT:

Dont you understand? Thats all they have. They have been lying for so long that is all they know. They cant stick to the facts because if they do they would have to back AMFA.

 

[mojo13]

Well, I've honestly looked for a positive to your AMFA and come up empty handed. All I feel is remorse and sorrow for it's members.

Quick question for you, since Jim Little and Bobby Gless get hit with this all the time. How much $$$$ did Delle lose when he marched his NWA boys out the door? And his UAL boys? Did McKormick have to sell some real-estate over the loss?

You see, that is exactly what I am speaking of.

Your insistence that:
1. UAL 'LOST' V2500 engine work
2. The lost work was attributed to AMFA

Because you are lying (I can not say misinformed as you should know the 'TRUTH")
on both counts.

1. UAL 'LOST' V2500 engine work (Never had it!!!)
2. The lost work was attributed to AMFA
(IAM had it from 1993-2003 - AMFA can not loose what was never theirs!!!)

When you stop your continuous lying about these 'FACTS!!!'
then maybe???, someone will take your rhetoric on other 'FACTS'
seriously.

😛 UT

I was told that the engine work was warranty work and not covered under the IAM's scope. So that would mean that they never lost it because they never had it. It would appear to me that AMFA did not keep it when the warranty period expired and has lost it to outsourcing, am I wrong?

 

[Buck]

I cannot answer Mojo's question, however if it is a fact that all warranty work is not covered by contracual scope clauses, then a mass amount of Americans parts are outside of any scope clause.

 

[mojo13]

Not necessarily, the IAM's scope clause language may be different than the TWU's.

 

[TWU informer]

I was told that the engine work was warranty work and not covered under the IAM's scope. So that would mean that they never lost it because they never had it. It would appear to me that AMFA did not keep it when the warranty period expired and has lost it to outsourcing, am I wrong?

That is BS.

The IAM allowed the 20% cap on the UAL outsource to "EXCLUDE" heavy Maintenance, during the latest concession.

AMFA has no ability to KEEP ANY heavy maintenance in house now. And that is a direct result to the latest IAM language that EXCLUDES heavy overhaul from the 20% limit.

Anyone telling you any different is either an ignoramous or a liar!

I heard is was AMFA's fault that Janet Jackson breast was exposed during the NFL Halftime Show. AM I WRONG?

 

[Buck]

If the IAM scope clause was so protective of the work, why would anyone want to leave? That goes for the TWU's scope clause also.

 

[TWU informer]

The IAM Scope Language at UAL no longer protects anything related to heavy maintenance.

The IAM allowed the heavy maintenance to be EXCLUDED from the 20% Farmout Cap.

Now AMFA has NO LANGAUGE to protect any heavy maintenance. And can only protect 80% of Line Maintenance.

It is sad that TWU Officers and TWU supporters do not know what really happened and they blame AMFA for the IAM concession that changed everything at UAL.


It is obvious to most that the IAM knew AMFA was going to win, and left the scope language in disaster form, to allow everyone to blame AMFA.

Liars will never win, and most liars will be exposed at strategic times that provide maximum accountability to be imposed.

Keep up the good work TWU. The fodder pile gets larger and your days are numbered.

 

[Leading Edge]

Does anyone know if this is true about the farmed out work at united airlines?Did the iam really negotiate the exclusion of heavy overhaul from the scope agreements before leaving?If this is true then why is twu telling us that amfa is the problem?I just want the truth so I can understand and decide which union is best.

Thanks for anyone who can help clear up the confusion that is now out there.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Does anyone know if this is true about the farmed out work at united airlines?Did the iam really negotiate the exclusion of heavy overhaul from the scope agreements before leaving?If this is true then why is twu telling us that amfa is the problem?I just want the truth so I can understand and decide which union is best.

Thanks for anyone who can help clear up the confusion that is now out there.

The iam allowed the majority of AMT in IND to be placed on ANP (Authorized No Pay ?) whereby they would not be able to vote on any contract/concessions. The concessions the iam peddled at UAL provided the GUTTING of UAL's overhaul/heavy maintenence. Now, if the AMTs on ANP were allowed to vote do you think they would have voted themselves out of work?

The twu and teamtwu "officials" like to brag that AMFA allowed this maintenance to be farmed out. WHY do these same individuals NOT explain that it was the iam that allowed this to happen? Because they fear the truth. Pure and simple.

 

[Your_Ex-Wife]

$800 a month comes out to $9600 a year, not $140,000. Besides my members felt it was well spent, they voted me in twice, they agreed with what I said and still do.

Your members? Why are they your members Bob? See the ego trip Bob, you live it. And how many are there? Do you have a membership as huge as 514? You act as if you do.Is this a huge line station Bob where you have 1,000's of followers throwing rose petals at your feet as you walk? Money well spent? Did McDonald's have to furlough anyone when ya lost your burger $$$$?

Would you say that lower ranking Nazi officers displayed integrety as the followed the orders of their superiors?

Bob, it's the AMFA supporters and organizers that fling the NAZI verbage around, perhaps you need to get with them on this. But integrity Bob is what you lack, you sold it cheaply, and you cannot regain it.

 

[Bob Owens]

Your members? Why are they your members Bob? See the ego trip Bob, you live it. And how many are there? Do you have a membership as huge as 514? You act as if you do.Is this a huge line station Bob where you have 1,000's of followers throwing rose petals at your feet as you walk? Money well spent? Did McDonald's have to furlough anyone when ya lost your burger $$$$?



Bob, it's the AMFA supporters and organizers that fling the NAZI verbage around, perhaps you need to get with them on this. But integrity Bob is what you lack, you sold it cheaply, and you cannot regain it.

I used the possesive because I felt that it was appropriate. My Members, as in my brothers, my sisters, my family, unlike many TWU officials who distance themselves from those they claim to represent I took it to heart that MY MEMBERS came first, before Sonny Hall, Jim Little or the company. I'm sorry that you have a problem with that.

Integrety from you? Are you management or TWU or IAM or union this week?

 

[UAL_TECH]

Bob Owens - Posted: Feb 7 2004, 12:08 PM

UT:

Dont you understand? Thats all they have. They have been lying for so long that is all they know. They cant stick to the facts because if they do they would have to back AMFA.

Bob,
As you know, I understand only too well.
This mirrors the same disinformational bantering and lies that happened with us.
Sometimes I felt like we should be paying them to post as their lies and deceit destroyed their credibility far more than we ever could. Just sit back and wait for them to put their foot in their mouth and throw a little ‘TRUTH’ back at them. They’ll do the rest.
Have the AFL-CIO thugs showed up at your gates yet?
Good luck on your fight for AMFA representation.



mojo13 - Posted: Feb 7 2004, 02:21 PM

I was told that the engine work was warranty work and not covered under the IAM's scope. So that would mean that they never lost it because they never had it. It would appear to me that AMFA did not keep it when the warranty period expired and has lost it to outsourcing, am I wrong?

Mojo13,
Yes, you are incorrect. The ‘warranty’ period was for three years.
First A320 purchased by UAL in 1993. 1993 + 3 = 1996
We should have begun ‘tooling’ up for the work in 1996/1997, however this did not happen.
UAL continued to outsource the V2500 uncontested by the IAM.
Since AMFA won the election for representation in July, 2003 (hardly 8 months ago)
I can’t see how this situation can be blamed on AMFA, can you?
:huh:

Leading Edge - Posted: Feb 7 2004, 03:52 PM

Does anyone know if this is true about the farmed out work at united airlines?Did the iam really negotiate the exclusion of heavy overhaul from the scope agreements before leaving?If this is true then why is twu telling us that amfa is the problem?I just want the truth so I can understand and decide which union is best.
Thanks for anyone who can help clear up the confusion that is now out there.


Leading Edge,
Here is the ‘TRUTH’, Read it for yourself and make up your own mind.

RestructuringAmendment141M.pdf

Excerpt: Page #7 & 8

Job Security
and Scope
Revise Article II-D (restriction on contracting out no more than 20% of all
maintenance work) to provide that ( a ) the Company may contract out the work
of heavy maintenance visits2 without restriction and ( b ) the Company may
contract out up to 20% of all remaining maintenance work as currently
measured by the sum of the annual budget. Article IV-B will also be revised to
provide that IAM inspectors will perform oversight inspection at any location
where United’s heavy maintenance is performed, applying Company standards
and subject to Company review.

Revise Article II-D to read:
D. The Company may contract out the work of heavy maintenance visits (as
defined by current Company practices consistent with AOP and MOP
guidelines) without restriction. Additionally, the Company may contract out up
to 20% of all remaining maintenance work annually as measured by the sum of
the Maintenance Operations Division's gross annual budget, excluding the cost
of heavy maintenance visits, plus those portions of stations' total gross annual
budgets attributable to building maintenance and ground equipment
maintenance, provided however this percentage may be exceeded in the event
the Company has fully utilized its existing equipment or facilities.
Eliminate Articles II-E (Mechanics and FTI) and Article II-D (MI) that restrict the
outsourcing of work that results in the layoff of any IAM-represented employee.
Revise Article II-F to allow the Company to dispose of its Oakland and
Indianapolis maintenance facilities while preserving the protection of the San
Francisco Maintenance Center. Add language permitting a joint venture with a
third party to provide capital improvements.

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Hope this clears the air.
The 'TRUTH' is out there if you look for it!!!

Take Care,
UAL_TECH

 

[MCI AFL-CIO]

$800 a month comes out to $9600 a year, not $140,000. Besides my members felt it was well spent, they voted me in twice, they agreed with what I said and still do.


Bob, A couple of months ago our local held its monthly meeting. At that meeting, up for a vote, show of hands, to authorize giving the officers of local 530 EBOARD araise.
Not just the president and VPs but the whole E BOARD. I dont recall the amounts,.
We had our biggest MONTHLY MEETING EVER that day, BTW, the vote failed, and it is rumored that it will be brought back month after month until it passes, I do beleive we will continue to have our biggest meetings every month
A member spoke up and asked if we vote to give you a raise, do we get to have a revote for officers we want?
Another response, heard by many was, we gave up 17% and you want a raise?
Now is not the best time to be asking for a raise