JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

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Tim Nelson said:
Canale and reagon were the worse. How those 2 could agree to start 40 yr members back on day 1 for pay purposes after being laid off for 30 days was criminal. Canale had to go. Our current contract is the best one we have worked under but is 30% less wage, no ps, awful retirement contribution and a complete disaster with paid days off. The health care and scope should be coveted though.

As far as the cwa, they got enhancements in every single article. Not sure who you are listening to or reading.

10 holidays: double time: holiday premium: 12 sick days paid full: better company retirement contribution: scope for all stations with 5 flight: grandfather all other employees from other stations: double time for any mandatory even for part time; shift differ, etc. And 75% were non contract and had zero everything before.

In fact, the cwa contract is a precise witness to parker delivering. Increases across the board. We have 100% employees under contract and 3 years later we secured ta's on uniforms, bulletin boards, water fountains and other minor articles. And NO, the association is NOT prepared and hasnt even opened ANY of the 6 major articles that the situation between the twu and iam has become tense (scope, wage, duration, health care, retirement, and one other). Thats a fact.
i believe alot of what you quote in the CWA agreement has to do with the snapback language they had....not their current round of negotiations.....LUS fleet would have alot of that already also,   had they voted for the T/A IN '07.   
 
Tim Nelson said:
Not sure if we disagree. We are referring to some future event. I just see it as very unlikely that anti union delta would grow a heart and keep many of you. Cargo would certainly be wiped out. Maybe atl sticks around but your opinion is as valid as mine.

I do agree that our ta dragging out has saved your station. Once we settle, there is nothing keeping delta from wiping out all of you, i just think you triple the risk if you vote in union under the later court cases. The whole "status quo" thing is a farce.
Oh no, those scenarios are both things we agree on possibly occurring. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong...
 
A little letter I found on FB



Tim Nelson, AKA, Timothy Nelson, AKA, Tim Nielsen, yep he’s got an alias; is a real piece of work, but no friend to working people. His past is littered with pulling the same stunts as he has just recently with the nomination process for the IAM. Nelson has made a good living by founding “independent unions”, of course with no members, naming himself the President, and then getting workers fired up on "hot button" issues, getting a decertification started; all the while getting cards signed for his newly founded union, that has never negotiated any contracts, and never will. The man is a con-artist, and sadly many of our members have fallen for his lies. NONE of these so called “independent unions” he has founded are still around, but the workers who’s lives he left in shambles remain, while Nelson moves on to his next target.
In the past, he's not always been by himself in screwing over working people. He has friends such as Kevin McCormick, a New Hampshire businessman who fabricated unions to make money. Of course the "McCormick Advisory Group" at one time claimed to provide help to independent unions in the AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
Nelson has unsuccessfully tried to organize his own RAMP WORKERS UNION, giving himself the title of President of the fake organization. He has done this on a number of occasions. Each time he tried this and other REAL UNIONS would get close to having enough cards to file with the NMB, Nelson would file his cards knowing he was well short of having a sufficient amount thus forcing the other Unions to file. He would file before any of the real unions had the amount necessary to call for an election resulting in the organizers of the real unions working inside not being able to collect or file cards for another year. Who suffered? Not Tim
He has been helped in the past by Mike Pruitt, a former US Airways agent and past member of District 141, imagine that. They formed the Allied Ground Workers (AGW), which represented NO ONE! They then named themselves President and Director. Next they attempted to raid US Airways property where the employees were covered under an IAM contract, also American Airlines property covered by the TWU. They sat up a website where they criticized and discredited both the IAM and TWU unions, where they would get the membership up-set, and push their fake union with its fake agenda. When Nelsons AGW started going south AGW website disappeared and Nelson abandoned ship.
A lot of what I'm saying can be found here:

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/

I found this while doing a search on Nelson. If you want to look around, you will also find a thread on this Airline forum, titled, "Why Tim Nelson is SO Dangerous for the IAM"
His is a letter written by Nelson, see how much of it sounds familiar.
Tim Nelson
Mar 14 2005, 11:58 AM
Dear American Airline FSC;
I am often asked what is the difference between Labor Representatives, i.e., the AGW and the TWU. Or to put it another way, why should someone consider switching from the TWU to the AGW.
First off, the primary reason to have a Union is to negotiate and secure a Collective Bargaining Agreement [CBA]. As I have talked to several American Airline employees, I have realized the cruddy, undemocratic, yet calculated job the TWU has done in representing you. In fact, I would categorize it as the TWU representing the company to you instead of you to the company. At any rate, I am not going to insult you and tell you what you already know about the TWU.
What I can tell you is what the AGW Constitution allows under the exact same circumstances. In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU]. Further, the Negotiations team can’t even enter into negotiations unless and until the majority of workers prioritize contract proposals. For instance, if American wants further concessions from you and you had the AGW, then any elected AGW Negotiations team can’t even enter concessionary negotiations unless the majority of workers approve and prioritize contract proposals. Remember, your Labor Representative represents you, is your advocate, and shouldn’t be in concessionary talks with your company if the members didnt authorize them! Does this mean anything to you?
At any rate, negotiations are for the workers so all AGW negotiations are fully disclosed to the members it represents. Each company proposal and AGW counter proposal from your Negotiations team must be on display on the AGW website for full disclosure! Further, the AGW, by Constitution, cant sign confidentiality papers with a company because it does not allow secret, cant tell you negotiations. Confidentiality agreements always protect the company and always keep information from the rank and file. Further, no AGW officer has the power or authority to sign a letter of agreement without being authorized by the majority of workers.
As a side, the highest salary for an AGW officer is $61,000; Officer elections have minimal restrictions to promote greater participation; The AGW will service you with the same resources you give the TWU your dues; And the AGW has retained a Nationally recognized law firm to represent you in arbitration cases and for other professional matters. (THE LAW FIRM TURNED OUT TO BE A ANTI UNION CONSULTING FIRM)
Its all in the AGW constitution and I encourage you to read it. In closing, you cant afford to keep the TWU along with its undemocratic systems. The quicker you sign your AGW card then the quicker we can replace the TWU!
Onward!
Tim Nelson, Interim Director, Allied Ground Workers
Of course Nelson has refused requests to answer any questions concerning his Teamster ties or AGW, or any of the other self-appointed fake unions he has tried to start.
If anyone reading the crap that been brought out on this site still votes for these frauds, thief’s and liars, You don’t deserve a F***** union
Sincerely
IAM Candidate Facts
 
Tim   I look at it this way   CWA gave up BSO   that alone to me is a concessionary item that should of never ever been given up   the profits speak for itself.      Yes i definitely do agree that our sick pay is horrendous with the current set up    I do think that has to have major improvements.   Currently we get 10 sick days a yr  only June and October we dont accrue  I cannot fig out how they got that in there     It should be 12 sick days a year  one per month.     Yes we should have major improvements in everything else  but why  not wait til we actually see a TA on the JCBA?    I think our leadership is doing much better now than the Canale regime ever did     Holidays   we have 7 now  I like to see personally around 10 holidays paid at either time and half or if working double time and half..  :)    Retirement  Id like the idea of 3 or 4 bucks into the pension and a 401K wtih match  :)   
 
Kev3188 said:
Haha. If I was half as insecure as you have been lately, I might be upset. But I'm not. I just see it all as ever more desperate attempts to attack the messenger.
Boca sounds fun. Enjoy your trip.
Thanks I'm here and will.

Not insecure. Have a Union and a contract remember. Nothing to be insecure about with those two items.
 
bob@las-AA said:
A little letter I found on FB
Tim Nelson, AKA, Timothy Nelson, AKA, Tim Nielsen, yep he’s got an alias; is a real piece of work, but no friend to working people. His past is littered with pulling the same stunts as he has just recently with the nomination process for the IAM. Nelson has made a good living by founding “independent unions”, of course with no members, naming himself the President, and then getting workers fired up on "hot button" issues, getting a decertification started; all the while getting cards signed for his newly founded union, that has never negotiated any contracts, and never will. The man is a con-artist, and sadly many of our members have fallen for his lies. NONE of these so called “independent unions” he has founded are still around, but the workers who’s lives he left in shambles remain, while Nelson moves on to his next target.
In the past, he's not always been by himself in screwing over working people. He has friends such as Kevin McCormick, a New Hampshire businessman who fabricated unions to make money. Of course the "McCormick Advisory Group" at one time claimed to provide help to independent unions in the AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
Nelson has unsuccessfully tried to organize his own RAMP WORKERS UNION, giving himself the title of President of the fake organization. He has done this on a number of occasions. Each time he tried this and other REAL UNIONS would get close to having enough cards to file with the NMB, Nelson would file his cards knowing he was well short of having a sufficient amount thus forcing the other Unions to file. He would file before any of the real unions had the amount necessary to call for an election resulting in the organizers of the real unions working inside not being able to collect or file cards for another year. Who suffered? Not Tim
He has been helped in the past by Mike Pruitt, a former US Airways agent and past member of District 141, imagine that. They formed the Allied Ground Workers (AGW), which represented NO ONE! They then named themselves President and Director. Next they attempted to raid US Airways property where the employees were covered under an IAM contract, also American Airlines property covered by the TWU. They sat up a website where they criticized and discredited both the IAM and TWU unions, where they would get the membership up-set, and push their fake union with its fake agenda. When Nelsons AGW started going south AGW website disappeared and Nelson abandoned ship.
A lot of what I'm saying can be found here:
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/
I found this while doing a search on Nelson. If you want to look around, you will also find a thread on this Airline forum, titled, "Why Tim Nelson is SO Dangerous for the IAM"
His is a letter written by Nelson, see how much of it sounds familiar.
Tim Nelson
Mar 14 2005, 11:58 AM
Dear American Airline FSC;
I am often asked what is the difference between Labor Representatives, i.e., the AGW and the TWU. Or to put it another way, why should someone consider switching from the TWU to the AGW.
First off, the primary reason to have a Union is to negotiate and secure a Collective Bargaining Agreement [CBA]. As I have talked to several American Airline employees, I have realized the cruddy, undemocratic, yet calculated job the TWU has done in representing you. In fact, I would categorize it as the TWU representing the company to you instead of you to the company. At any rate, I am not going to insult you and tell you what you already know about the TWU.
What I can tell you is what the AGW Constitution allows under the exact same circumstances. In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU]. Further, the Negotiations team can’t even enter into negotiations unless and until the majority of workers prioritize contract proposals. For instance, if American wants further concessions from you and you had the AGW, then any elected AGW Negotiations team can’t even enter concessionary negotiations unless the majority of workers approve and prioritize contract proposals. Remember, your Labor Representative represents you, is your advocate, and shouldn’t be in concessionary talks with your company if the members didnt authorize them! Does this mean anything to you?
At any rate, negotiations are for the workers so all AGW negotiations are fully disclosed to the members it represents. Each company proposal and AGW counter proposal from your Negotiations team must be on display on the AGW website for full disclosure! Further, the AGW, by Constitution, cant sign confidentiality papers with a company because it does not allow secret, cant tell you negotiations. Confidentiality agreements always protect the company and always keep information from the rank and file. Further, no AGW officer has the power or authority to sign a letter of agreement without being authorized by the majority of workers.
As a side, the highest salary for an AGW officer is $61,000; Officer elections have minimal restrictions to promote greater participation; The AGW will service you with the same resources you give the TWU your dues; And the AGW has retained a Nationally recognized law firm to represent you in arbitration cases and for other professional matters. (THE LAW FIRM TURNED OUT TO BE A ANTI UNION CONSULTING FIRM)
Its all in the AGW constitution and I encourage you to read it. In closing, you cant afford to keep the TWU along with its undemocratic systems. The quicker you sign your AGW card then the quicker we can replace the TWU!
Onward!
Tim Nelson, Interim Director, Allied Ground Workers
Of course Nelson has refused requests to answer any questions concerning his Teamster ties or AGW, or any of the other self-appointed fake unions he has tried to start.
If anyone reading the crap that been brought out on this site still votes for these frauds, thief’s and liars, You don’t deserve a F***** union
Sincerely
IAM Candidate Facts

Always good to trot this out again every once in awhile.

Good job.
 
Racer X said:
i believe alot of what you quote in the CWA agreement has to do with the snapback language they had....not their current round of negotiations.....LUS fleet would have alot of that already also,   had they voted for the T/A IN '07.
75% of upstairs was non union and had 5 holidays. Parker can do the same for us. 07 didnt have a chance as it contained the seniority cleansing in a tuff economy. Hundreds more would have lost their pay. Plus both districts pushed the coc and that was about the only thing i agreed with canale and arnedio on since the seniority didnt give us a chance to ratify the 07 agreement.
 
robbedagain said:
Tim   I look at it this way   CWA gave up BSO   that alone to me is a concessionary item that should of never ever been given up   the profits speak for itself.      Yes i definitely do agree that our sick pay is horrendous with the current set up    I do think that has to have major improvements.   Currently we get 10 sick days a yr  only June and October we dont accrue  I cannot fig out how they got that in there     It should be 12 sick days a year  one per month.     Yes we should have major improvements in everything else  but why  not wait til we actually see a TA on the JCBA?    I think our leadership is doing much better now than the Canale regime ever did     Holidays   we have 7 now  I like to see personally around 10 holidays paid at either time and half or if working double time and half..  :)    Retirement  Id like the idea of 3 or 4 bucks into the pension and a 401K wtih match  :)
I cant disagree with the things you want. Valid points. Hopefully we move frwd bro.
 
bob@las-AA said:
A little letter I found on FB
Tim Nelson, AKA, Timothy Nelson, AKA, Tim Nielsen, yep he’s got an alias; is a real piece of work, but no friend to working people. His past is littered with pulling the same stunts as he has just recently with the nomination process for the IAM. Nelson has made a good living by founding “independent unions”, of course with no members, naming himself the President, and then getting workers fired up on "hot button" issues, getting a decertification started; all the while getting cards signed for his newly founded union, that has never negotiated any contracts, and never will. The man is a con-artist, and sadly many of our members have fallen for his lies. NONE of these so called “independent unions” he has founded are still around, but the workers who’s lives he left in shambles remain, while Nelson moves on to his next target.
In the past, he's not always been by himself in screwing over working people. He has friends such as Kevin McCormick, a New Hampshire businessman who fabricated unions to make money. Of course the "McCormick Advisory Group" at one time claimed to provide help to independent unions in the AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
Nelson has unsuccessfully tried to organize his own RAMP WORKERS UNION, giving himself the title of President of the fake organization. He has done this on a number of occasions. Each time he tried this and other REAL UNIONS would get close to having enough cards to file with the NMB, Nelson would file his cards knowing he was well short of having a sufficient amount thus forcing the other Unions to file. He would file before any of the real unions had the amount necessary to call for an election resulting in the organizers of the real unions working inside not being able to collect or file cards for another year. Who suffered? Not Tim
He has been helped in the past by Mike Pruitt, a former US Airways agent and past member of District 141, imagine that. They formed the Allied Ground Workers (AGW), which represented NO ONE! They then named themselves President and Director. Next they attempted to raid US Airways property where the employees were covered under an IAM contract, also American Airlines property covered by the TWU. They sat up a website where they criticized and discredited both the IAM and TWU unions, where they would get the membership up-set, and push their fake union with its fake agenda. When Nelsons AGW started going south AGW website disappeared and Nelson abandoned ship.
A lot of what I'm saying can be found here:
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/
I found this while doing a search on Nelson. If you want to look around, you will also find a thread on this Airline forum, titled, "Why Tim Nelson is SO Dangerous for the IAM"
His is a letter written by Nelson, see how much of it sounds familiar.
Tim Nelson
Mar 14 2005, 11:58 AM
Dear American Airline FSC;
I am often asked what is the difference between Labor Representatives, i.e., the AGW and the TWU. Or to put it another way, why should someone consider switching from the TWU to the AGW.
First off, the primary reason to have a Union is to negotiate and secure a Collective Bargaining Agreement [CBA]. As I have talked to several American Airline employees, I have realized the cruddy, undemocratic, yet calculated job the TWU has done in representing you. In fact, I would categorize it as the TWU representing the company to you instead of you to the company. At any rate, I am not going to insult you and tell you what you already know about the TWU.
What I can tell you is what the AGW Constitution allows under the exact same circumstances. In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU]. Further, the Negotiations team can’t even enter into negotiations unless and until the majority of workers prioritize contract proposals. For instance, if American wants further concessions from you and you had the AGW, then any elected AGW Negotiations team can’t even enter concessionary negotiations unless the majority of workers approve and prioritize contract proposals. Remember, your Labor Representative represents you, is your advocate, and shouldn’t be in concessionary talks with your company if the members didnt authorize them! Does this mean anything to you?
At any rate, negotiations are for the workers so all AGW negotiations are fully disclosed to the members it represents. Each company proposal and AGW counter proposal from your Negotiations team must be on display on the AGW website for full disclosure! Further, the AGW, by Constitution, cant sign confidentiality papers with a company because it does not allow secret, cant tell you negotiations. Confidentiality agreements always protect the company and always keep information from the rank and file. Further, no AGW officer has the power or authority to sign a letter of agreement without being authorized by the majority of workers.
As a side, the highest salary for an AGW officer is $61,000; Officer elections have minimal restrictions to promote greater participation; The AGW will service you with the same resources you give the TWU your dues; And the AGW has retained a Nationally recognized law firm to represent you in arbitration cases and for other professional matters. (THE LAW FIRM TURNED OUT TO BE A ANTI UNION CONSULTING FIRM)
Its all in the AGW constitution and I encourage you to read it. In closing, you cant afford to keep the TWU along with its undemocratic systems. The quicker you sign your AGW card then the quicker we can replace the TWU!
Onward!
Tim Nelson, Interim Director, Allied Ground Workers
Of course Nelson has refused requests to answer any questions concerning his Teamster ties or AGW, or any of the other self-appointed fake unions he has tried to start.
If anyone reading the crap that been brought out on this site still votes for these frauds, thief’s and liars, You don’t deserve a F***** union
Sincerely
IAM Candidate Facts
Im proud of the things in the past, like the agw. The agw was a craft union but i think we ought to consider an in house union if the association cant deliver. It may be wise to fire the outside labor contractor and just do it ourself like the stews and pilots. The agw constitution was phenomenal and radical from the iam twu or any other hired gun who we would give full power of attorney to.
 
bob@las-AA said:
A little letter I found on FB
Tim Nelson, AKA, Timothy Nelson, AKA, Tim Nielsen, yep he’s got an alias; is a real piece of work, but no friend to working people. His past is littered with pulling the same stunts as he has just recently with the nomination process for the IAM. Nelson has made a good living by founding “independent unions”, of course with no members, naming himself the President, and then getting workers fired up on "hot button" issues, getting a decertification started; all the while getting cards signed for his newly founded union, that has never negotiated any contracts, and never will. The man is a con-artist, and sadly many of our members have fallen for his lies. NONE of these so called “independent unions” he has founded are still around, but the workers who’s lives he left in shambles remain, while Nelson moves on to his next target.
In the past, he's not always been by himself in screwing over working people. He has friends such as Kevin McCormick, a New Hampshire businessman who fabricated unions to make money. Of course the "McCormick Advisory Group" at one time claimed to provide help to independent unions in the AIRLINE INDUSTRY.
Nelson has unsuccessfully tried to organize his own RAMP WORKERS UNION, giving himself the title of President of the fake organization. He has done this on a number of occasions. Each time he tried this and other REAL UNIONS would get close to having enough cards to file with the NMB, Nelson would file his cards knowing he was well short of having a sufficient amount thus forcing the other Unions to file. He would file before any of the real unions had the amount necessary to call for an election resulting in the organizers of the real unions working inside not being able to collect or file cards for another year. Who suffered? Not Tim
He has been helped in the past by Mike Pruitt, a former US Airways agent and past member of District 141, imagine that. They formed the Allied Ground Workers (AGW), which represented NO ONE! They then named themselves President and Director. Next they attempted to raid US Airways property where the employees were covered under an IAM contract, also American Airlines property covered by the TWU. They sat up a website where they criticized and discredited both the IAM and TWU unions, where they would get the membership up-set, and push their fake union with its fake agenda. When Nelsons AGW started going south AGW website disappeared and Nelson abandoned ship.
A lot of what I'm saying can be found here:
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/27043-iam-twu-election-tim-nelson/
I found this while doing a search on Nelson. If you want to look around, you will also find a thread on this Airline forum, titled, "Why Tim Nelson is SO Dangerous for the IAM"
His is a letter written by Nelson, see how much of it sounds familiar.
Tim Nelson
Mar 14 2005, 11:58 AM
Dear American Airline FSC;
I am often asked what is the difference between Labor Representatives, i.e., the AGW and the TWU. Or to put it another way, why should someone consider switching from the TWU to the AGW.
First off, the primary reason to have a Union is to negotiate and secure a Collective Bargaining Agreement [CBA]. As I have talked to several American Airline employees, I have realized the cruddy, undemocratic, yet calculated job the TWU has done in representing you. In fact, I would categorize it as the TWU representing the company to you instead of you to the company. At any rate, I am not going to insult you and tell you what you already know about the TWU.
What I can tell you is what the AGW Constitution allows under the exact same circumstances. In any AGW negotiations, YOU negotiate your contract because your Negotiations team, including its chairman is from your airline and department [far different from the TWU]. Further, the Negotiations team can’t even enter into negotiations unless and until the majority of workers prioritize contract proposals. For instance, if American wants further concessions from you and you had the AGW, then any elected AGW Negotiations team can’t even enter concessionary negotiations unless the majority of workers approve and prioritize contract proposals. Remember, your Labor Representative represents you, is your advocate, and shouldn’t be in concessionary talks with your company if the members didnt authorize them! Does this mean anything to you?
At any rate, negotiations are for the workers so all AGW negotiations are fully disclosed to the members it represents. Each company proposal and AGW counter proposal from your Negotiations team must be on display on the AGW website for full disclosure! Further, the AGW, by Constitution, cant sign confidentiality papers with a company because it does not allow secret, cant tell you negotiations. Confidentiality agreements always protect the company and always keep information from the rank and file. Further, no AGW officer has the power or authority to sign a letter of agreement without being authorized by the majority of workers.
As a side, the highest salary for an AGW officer is $61,000; Officer elections have minimal restrictions to promote greater participation; The AGW will service you with the same resources you give the TWU your dues; And the AGW has retained a Nationally recognized law firm to represent you in arbitration cases and for other professional matters. (THE LAW FIRM TURNED OUT TO BE A ANTI UNION CONSULTING FIRM)
Its all in the AGW constitution and I encourage you to read it. In closing, you cant afford to keep the TWU along with its undemocratic systems. The quicker you sign your AGW card then the quicker we can replace the TWU!
Onward!
Tim Nelson, Interim Director, Allied Ground Workers
Of course Nelson has refused requests to answer any questions concerning his Teamster ties or AGW, or any of the other self-appointed fake unions he has tried to start.
If anyone reading the crap that been brought out on this site still votes for these frauds, thief’s and liars, You don’t deserve a F***** union
Sincerely
IAM Candidate Facts
Bob did I tell you how much I enjoyed reading this again and again and again and again and again?
 
Kev3188 said:
Yeah it is...
It never ceases to amaze me how against things like accountability, transparency, and agency some unions can be...

Any ideology that promotes workers is a good idea. How it's sold (through lots of lies and intimidation) is where I would have a massive problem with ANY of them.

Every product has its BAD and it's GOOD things about it. I "may" be interested in another product if the dumb salesman trying to get me to buy his product was honest.

I don't need any Encyclopedia Brittanica's collecting dust in my house thank you very much.
 
Tim Nelson said:
Im proud of the things in the past, like the agw. The agw was a craft union but i think we ought to consider an in house union if the association cant deliver. It may be wise to fire the outside labor contractor and just do it ourself like the stews and pilots. The agw constitution was phenomenal and radical from the iam twu or any other hired gun who we would give full power of attorney to.
You're too dumb to be in a leadership position over an entire collective our size.

Sorry.
 
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